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pat_k

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16. My view of 2016 is probably a minority view...
Mon Nov 11, 2024, 05:58 PM
Nov 2024

... but from the outset I was very unhappy that so many great leaders in our party choose not to run because the "conventional wisdom" was that it was Hillary's "turn." I did not see the strange Hillary-Bernie contest as a real primary of the type we needed.

And yes, the primary in 2020 was a real primary from which Biden emerged as a solid candidate who promised to be a bridge to the next generation. When he broke that promise the "conventional wisdom" that other leaders must stand aside for the incumbent kicked in. He is a spectacular president who was a very, very weak candidate. And we absolutely did not have a robust primary. Our votes were rubber stamps on a done deal. And for the majority of the people in my little information bubble, our votes were an incredibly unenthusiastic rubber stamp.

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I'm tired of "experts " who predicted Harris would win, now telling me why she lost. surfered Nov 2024 #1
Hardly anyone who was being objective definitively predicted that she would win. TwilightZone Nov 2024 #6
My brother thought she would lose at the start Meowmee Nov 2024 #10
My mom told me she would lose the day it was clear that she would be the nominee. TwilightZone Nov 2024 #12
Yes agree on all of that Meowmee Nov 2024 #13
How it was not seen that student loan forgiveness programs were further alienating working kelly1mm Nov 2024 #2
I noticed that when the issue was raised it was dismissed or rationalized. pat_k Nov 2024 #5
Biden won voters who had a union member in the household 57/40. TwilightZone Nov 2024 #3
As I said, I don't want to argue, but holding Union support has been a struggle since NAFTA. pat_k Nov 2024 #7
For me, weather by hook or by crook the repukes got more votes plain and simple. nt mitch96 Nov 2024 #4
Both the 2016 and 2020 primaries were "real contests" emulatorloo Nov 2024 #8
My view of 2016 is probably a minority view... pat_k Nov 2024 #16
Biden broke no promise. He never said he was only going to be a one term president. emulatorloo Nov 2024 #18
Being a "transitional" president and "bridge" . . . pat_k Nov 2024 #20
Nothing you've posted is factual. Just 'assumptions' and 'conclusions' that can not be supported w fact. emulatorloo Nov 2024 #22
Obviously. pat_k Nov 2024 #23
2016 Primary: Sanders, Clinton, O'Malley, Chaffee, Webb, Lessing emulatorloo Nov 2024 #19
The party coalesced around her as presumed nominee in early 2014 pat_k Nov 2024 #21
Dems had only 1/10 the time to campaign compared to IT. CoopersDad Nov 2024 #9
Kamala did a spectacular job. pat_k Nov 2024 #15
I don't listen to arguments that claim our candidates were "anointed." yardwork Nov 2024 #11
No one ran against Biden because he was the incumbent. pat_k Nov 2024 #14
There were many kinds of stupidity in this election mvd Nov 2024 #17
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