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cynical_idealist

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16. Americans have fallen for the great deceiver

Wed Nov 13, 2024, 11:22 AM

Nov 13

Not just the man but the whole movement including all the misinformation.

It's reality hacking.

I think this and your other post about what happened are an important summary of
major problems we are facing.

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Climate & the environment
Democratic solution: It's too damn hot!
Soon to be: I can't breathe!

Civil rights
Democratic solution: We're all human.

National security
Democratic solution: Russia started it!

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A challenge to illustrate the difficulites of breaking through the right-wing misinformation machine [View all] EarlG Nov 13 OP

I think the word limit is a little unrealistic. How about twice or 3 times the number of words? LAS14 Nov 13 #1

The word limit is, if anything, too generous. yardwork Nov 13 #3

OK, you're right. Let the word limit stand. nt LAS14 Nov 13 #5

Bumper sticker politics EarlG Nov 13 #7

I would add that bad actors actually created some of the problems. yardwork Nov 13 #19

True. Hugin Nov 13 #25

Then we must learn "the average person" better, and do what the democratic minded Dutch say: ancianita Nov 13 #49

Agreed! Hugin Nov 13 #81

"Flip side of Dunning-Krueger" -- accurate Tansy_Gold Nov 13 #52

I agree with you yardwork Nov 13 #56

He already said that. See reply #7. ancianita Nov 13 #53

Earl, thank you for this. I just filled out a questionnaire from AOC as well. This is what PatrickforB Nov 13 #55

Subscribing Ligyron Nov 13 #87

Keeping the word number down cuts to the core wnylib Nov 13 #43

Yup. I've changed my mind on this. nt LAS14 Nov 13 #68

Can the premise be rejected? intrepidity Nov 13 #2

I feel as if we tried that strategy and it didn't work. yardwork Nov 13 #4

It's the markodochartaigh Nov 13 #21

I'm struggling with the premise too MaineBlueBear Nov 13 #50

When they move on to the next grievance, wnylib Nov 13 #72

Thanks for this MaineBlueBear Nov 14 #90

Focus on their feelings. What makes them so angry? wnylib Nov 14 #91

No, we can't just say "Lies." The goal is to develop wnylib Nov 13 #71

Economy and tariffs bronxiteforever Nov 13 #6

I like it!!! Did you make up Trumpflation??? nt LAS14 Nov 13 #11

Agree. Trumpflation is a very good buzz word to stick on Trimp like white on rice. wnylib Nov 13 #75

On immigration wnylib Nov 13 #77

Bookmarking for sure. Drum Nov 13 #8

Excellent point! nt Phoenix61 Nov 13 #9

Too bad they didn't think of this a few years ago. ananda Nov 13 #10

No, not too late. We have to gear up for 2026 starting now. Then 2028. nt LAS14 Nov 13 #12

Well, it certainly won't hurt to give it a shot. However... ananda Nov 13 #61

This is F'ing brilliant. So clear. Biophilic Nov 13 #13

The response to most of them is... Hugin Nov 13 #14

For Immigration? LauraInLA Nov 13 #38

Sounds good to me. Moosepoop Nov 13 #44

Yes, "judge" is much better. Some Democrats probably won't like it because it means everyone LauraInLA Nov 13 #46

Sounds good. Instead of "test" you could say "vet" or "screen." wnylib Nov 13 #78

Oh crap! dickthegrouch Nov 13 #15

Americans have fallen for the great deceiver cynical_idealist Nov 13 #16

Well then, lets all vote for Hitler and see how that works out Johonny Nov 13 #17

Sadly, you can't enlighten the wilfully ignorant Blue_Tires Nov 13 #18

You can lead a Trumper to knowledge, markodochartaigh Nov 13 #20

Good one! yowzayowzayowza Nov 13 #28

The goal is to win them over, not to insult them. wnylib Nov 13 #76

Point taken. markodochartaigh Nov 13 #86

There is no "once and for all" in human society 0rganism Nov 13 #62

Sounds awfully defeatist to me. wnylib Nov 13 #79

Forgot one, don't use any highfalutin words. Blue Full Moon Nov 13 #22

Harris campaign raised 1 billion dollars. I believe Jaime Harrison says DNC are now in debt. Passages Nov 13 #23

In an autocracy, truth must be revealed painfully. NNadir Nov 13 #24

We cannot break thru. As has been pointed over and over, when they fail, and they will let them fail. DO NOT rescue PortTack Nov 13 #26

Complex problems always have simple, wrong, solutions. CaptainTruth Nov 13 #27

We still need to come up with simple answers, even if they don't tell the whole story. Elessar Zappa Nov 13 #30

Yes, absolutely. "Bite-sized messaging" as I call it. CaptainTruth Nov 13 #35

Exactly. And another problem they pose is that when we point out a real problem, they blame the problem on us. ancianita Nov 13 #69

Don't try to go after each invented problem. wnylib Nov 13 #82

Oh, I have solutions that fit. Problem is - People don't like them. ck4829 Nov 13 #29

I like these. erronis Nov 13 #33

Well said! charliea Nov 13 #51

Abortion - between the pregnant female, her Doctor, and her God. haele Nov 13 #67

I hate to short circuit this survey, but I will answer oldmanlynn Nov 13 #31

Also make sure you do it repetitively all the time 24 seven every day oldmanlynn Nov 13 #32

Yes. Reaching them with strong, repeated messages is very important. wnylib Nov 13 #83

"THEY ARE LYING TO YOU" for all 10 answers. "They give solutions to imaginary problems." Jack Valentino Nov 13 #34

You forgot "litter boxes for students identifying as furries" in the issue of education NotASurfer Nov 13 #36

I was in that poll. Butterflylady Nov 13 #37

Let's try this (yup, it's hard) LearnedHand Nov 13 #39

I say we double down on the Rights lies steelyboo Nov 13 #40

Defining the problem is the solution. talking-liberally Nov 13 #41

Some Bumper Sticker Answers... orwell Nov 13 #42

Pretty good!!! But what does "cons" mean in this: "Stop the Cons Attack on Women's Health!" LAS14 Nov 13 #80

I stopped calling Republicans... orwell Nov 13 #85

GOP propaganda has defined the problems and gets to set the narrative. Artistree22 Nov 13 #45

Great exercise. It's way overdue. live love laugh Nov 13 #47

"Ukraine even though they started the war with Russia!" Dave Bowman Nov 13 #48

How do you reach through the false premise and solve the deeper problems? mahina Nov 13 #54

Its not about solutions. It never was. Scrivener7 Nov 13 #57

Fine in theory, but we have no machine to counter theirs. No independent media and no real left-wing media. Native Nov 13 #58

KNR niyad Nov 13 #59

Inflation and Immigration EarthAbides Nov 13 #60

Appreciate the effort but the problem isn't primarly a messaging problem it's a trust problem mathematic Nov 13 #63

I think we're mostly in agreement EarlG Nov 13 #64

Sure, TheKentuckian Nov 13 #65

Off the top of my head. Buzz cook Nov 13 #66

That's how Monty Montgomery became the horse whisperer. Qutzupalotl Nov 13 #70

starting now, we need to set the agenda of problems that need to be addressed. ecstatic Nov 13 #73

Any of our solutions are pointless ibegurpard Nov 13 #74

Keeping with the idea of keeping it short: dgauss Nov 13 #84

alright I'll give it a go proud patriot Nov 14 #88

Strength, strength is what is needed ThePartyThatListens Nov 14 #89