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38. Biden was "pushed out" because he couldn't win.

Reply to lees1975 (Original post)

Wed Nov 13, 2024, 03:49 PM

Nov 13

The numbers were stark:
From January 2024 until he dropped out in July, Biden's favorability ratings among independents ranged between 31% and 35% and among Democrats it was between 81% and 83%. Going back to the last six months of 2023, the story was similar: 27%-38% among independents and 75%-87% among Democrats.

Those numbers are worse than what Trump had when he lost he 2020:
From January 2020 until election day, which included the worst of the pandemic, his favorability amongst independents was 33%-47% and among Republicans it was 85% - 94%, with only three survey periods below 90%. For the six months of 2019, Trump's favorability among independents was 34%-42% and among Republicans it was 875-91%.

And despite everything and as ridiculous as it might seem, Trump continued to have very high favorability ratings in 2024 among republicans -- much higher than Biden's favorability ratings among Democrats. And while Trump wasn't viewed favorability by most independents, his ratings were higher among independents than Biden's. That was a recipe for impending electoral disaster. And it worked to a certain extent -- Harris's favorability ratings as the campaign wore on were significantly higher among Democrats than Biden's had been for most of his presidency.

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Do I sound too much like a conspiracy theorist? Or am I resonating with some people? [View all] lees1975 Nov 13 OP

I'm right where you are. I'm watching Biden welcoming Trump to the W.H. Greybnk48 Nov 13 #1

Democracy In America Is Finished SoCalDavidS Nov 13 #2

BRAVO, SoCalDavid................ DENVERPOPS Nov 13 #32

There are problems with that quotation Cirsium Nov 13 #44

Thx DENVERPOPS Nov 13 #45

No problem Cirsium Nov 13 #46

I know these things as facts DENVERPOPS Nov 13 #49

We are all learning Cirsium Nov 13 #51

The only thing DENVERPOPS Nov 13 #50

Very good Cirsium Nov 13 #53

Thx DENVERPOPS Nov 13 #59

Is this the Tocqueville quote you meant? lees1975 Nov 13 #63

No Cirsium Nov 13 #64

But, in a way, he warned us that despotism was coming at some point. lees1975 Nov 13 #70

Yah cilla4progress Nov 13 #56

You're not alone dickthegrouch Nov 13 #3

I can't even say out loud what I'm thinking Clouds Passing Nov 13 #4

I share a lot of your feelings. BlueKota Nov 13 #5

You beat me to posting. I was going to ask, "Was this an existential election or was that hyperbole?" UniqueUserName Nov 13 #6

Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 13 #8

And Merrick Garland? Is he showing up every day at the Justice Department, still? lees1975 Nov 13 #13

I think you're correct. Sometimes you have to bend the rules such as they are. harumph Nov 13 #40

I think it was at least partially hyperbole EdmondDantes_ Nov 13 #11

new poster promoting the notion that a Trump presidency won't be so bad bigtree Nov 13 #21

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Did you forget to change accounts? W_HAMILTON Nov 13 #36

It was a concept of an election. BattleRow Nov 13 #19

Think about that. John Shaft Nov 13 #24

They don't want the american people finding out what all of them have been up to. onecaliberal Nov 13 #29

They are preparing to focus on policies. Frasier Balzov Nov 13 #30

Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 13 #7

This is correct Zeitghost Nov 13 #28

I'm right there with you and so is everyone that I know. 1WorldHope Nov 13 #9

The idea that Biden dropping out was a conspiracy is really MadameButterfly Nov 13 #10

I don't think so. lees1975 Nov 13 #12

I have a number... 2naSalit Nov 13 #14

Right there with you orangecrush Nov 13 #15

Rolling Stone magazine, not a right-leaning publication SCantiGOP Nov 13 #16

Now I am wondering if they r just getting us ready for China. Saudi overlords Blue Full Moon Nov 13 #17

it's just one smack at the Democratic party after the other in this screed bigtree Nov 13 #18

You really missed the point. lees1975 Nov 13 #43

not wading through party bashing to try and find the point bigtree Nov 13 #48

Show me someone with guts, in the face of this disaster, and I'll stop saying it. lees1975 Nov 13 #54

it's not you bigtree Nov 13 #60

Well, damn, how perceptive of you. lees1975 Nov 13 #67

you should ask questions to the people that represent you. stillcool Nov 13 #55

I live in Illinois. No need for a recount here. lees1975 Nov 13 #68

Somewhat off topic,but where in the world is JD Vance? BattleRow Nov 13 #20

probably off training soldiers to shoot at us... Ysabel Nov 13 #23

Peter Thiel bought him one of those fancy massage chairs as a congratulatory gift. ECL213 Nov 13 #26

I don't recall hearing a lot from any Vice Presidential-elect in the first weeks after an election. onenote Nov 13 #39

I feel the same way... Ysabel Nov 13 #22

I think getting people to believe they didn't steal it.... ananda Nov 13 #27

I agree. Mr.Bee Nov 13 #31

Well said. Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good. harumph Nov 13 #41

Right there with you. (nt) Richard D Nov 13 #33

I can't blame any of us for feeling this way Erda Nov 13 #34

Thank you! crud Nov 13 #61

Too many are cowards in the face of Frankenstein bullies. GreenWave Nov 13 #35

His biggest stress was what they were doing to his son Hunter Bev54 Nov 13 #37

Biden was "pushed out" because he couldn't win. onenote Nov 13 #38

Donors always conspire to influence candidates. Its part of the transactional nature of American politics. jaxexpat Nov 13 #42

During the 2000 election Biden "indicated" he would only run for one term. Intractable Nov 13 #47

All I will say on that question... FBaggins Nov 13 #52

It does seem as if a deal has been made... polichick Nov 13 #57

After more thought, I think we lost people to the couch ecstatic Nov 13 #58

Yeah, you sound like a conspiracy theorist who thinks life happens like a bad 70s TV movie thebigidea Nov 13 #62

Agree SCantiGOP Nov 13 #65

Yep, it was simple but not enough people cared enough to vote for Harris. Fish700 Nov 13 #69

I just can't wrap my head around how a RAPIST & CONVICTED FELON is going to be in the Oval Office Blue Owl Nov 13 #66

Trump Will Fix the Election Mr.Bee Nov 14 #71

I only read your subject line, but both of those things can be true at the same time. Iggo Nov 14 #72