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MaineBlueBear

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90. Thanks for this

Thu Nov 14, 2024, 03:42 PM

Nov 2024

I keep coming back to the concept that you can't reason someone out of a stance they didn't come to through reason.
We're dealing with misinformation and I'm wondering why otherwise reasonable people are so susceptible to it.
I'm desperately seeking ways to talk to people about their choice of Trump as a leader and how to get them to make better choices in 2028.

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A challenge to illustrate the difficulites of breaking through the right-wing misinformation machine [View all] EarlG Nov 2024 OP

I think the word limit is a little unrealistic. How about twice or 3 times the number of words? LAS14 Nov 2024 #1

The word limit is, if anything, too generous. yardwork Nov 2024 #3

OK, you're right. Let the word limit stand. nt LAS14 Nov 2024 #5

Bumper sticker politics EarlG Nov 2024 #7

I would add that bad actors actually created some of the problems. yardwork Nov 2024 #19

True. Hugin Nov 2024 #25

Then we must learn "the average person" better, and do what the democratic minded Dutch say: ancianita Nov 2024 #49

Agreed! Hugin Nov 2024 #81

"Flip side of Dunning-Krueger" -- accurate Tansy_Gold Nov 2024 #52

I agree with you yardwork Nov 2024 #56

He already said that. See reply #7. ancianita Nov 2024 #53

Earl, thank you for this. I just filled out a questionnaire from AOC as well. This is what PatrickforB Nov 2024 #55

Subscribing Ligyron Nov 2024 #87

Keeping the word number down cuts to the core wnylib Nov 2024 #43

Yup. I've changed my mind on this. nt LAS14 Nov 2024 #68

Can the premise be rejected? intrepidity Nov 2024 #2

I feel as if we tried that strategy and it didn't work. yardwork Nov 2024 #4

It's the markodochartaigh Nov 2024 #21

I'm struggling with the premise too MaineBlueBear Nov 2024 #50

When they move on to the next grievance, wnylib Nov 2024 #72

Thanks for this MaineBlueBear Nov 2024 #90

Focus on their feelings. What makes them so angry? wnylib Nov 2024 #91

No, we can't just say "Lies." The goal is to develop wnylib Nov 2024 #71

Economy and tariffs bronxiteforever Nov 2024 #6

I like it!!! Did you make up Trumpflation??? nt LAS14 Nov 2024 #11

Agree. Trumpflation is a very good buzz word to stick on Trimp like white on rice. wnylib Nov 2024 #75

On immigration wnylib Nov 2024 #77

Bookmarking for sure. Drum Nov 2024 #8

Excellent point! nt Phoenix61 Nov 2024 #9

Too bad they didn't think of this a few years ago. ananda Nov 2024 #10

No, not too late. We have to gear up for 2026 starting now. Then 2028. nt LAS14 Nov 2024 #12

Well, it certainly won't hurt to give it a shot. However... ananda Nov 2024 #61

This is F'ing brilliant. So clear. Biophilic Nov 2024 #13

The response to most of them is... Hugin Nov 2024 #14

For Immigration? LauraInLA Nov 2024 #38

Sounds good to me. Moosepoop Nov 2024 #44

Yes, "judge" is much better. Some Democrats probably won't like it because it means everyone LauraInLA Nov 2024 #46

Sounds good. Instead of "test" you could say "vet" or "screen." wnylib Nov 2024 #78

Oh crap! dickthegrouch Nov 2024 #15

Americans have fallen for the great deceiver cynical_idealist Nov 2024 #16

Well then, lets all vote for Hitler and see how that works out Johonny Nov 2024 #17

Sadly, you can't enlighten the wilfully ignorant Blue_Tires Nov 2024 #18

You can lead a Trumper to knowledge, markodochartaigh Nov 2024 #20

Good one! yowzayowzayowza Nov 2024 #28

The goal is to win them over, not to insult them. wnylib Nov 2024 #76

Point taken. markodochartaigh Nov 2024 #86

There is no "once and for all" in human society 0rganism Nov 2024 #62

Sounds awfully defeatist to me. wnylib Nov 2024 #79

Forgot one, don't use any highfalutin words. Blue Full Moon Nov 2024 #22

Harris campaign raised 1 billion dollars. I believe Jaime Harrison says DNC are now in debt. Passages Nov 2024 #23

In an autocracy, truth must be revealed painfully. NNadir Nov 2024 #24

We cannot break thru. As has been pointed over and over, when they fail, and they will let them fail. DO NOT rescue PortTack Nov 2024 #26

Complex problems always have simple, wrong, solutions. CaptainTruth Nov 2024 #27

We still need to come up with simple answers, even if they don't tell the whole story. Elessar Zappa Nov 2024 #30

Yes, absolutely. "Bite-sized messaging" as I call it. CaptainTruth Nov 2024 #35

Exactly. And another problem they pose is that when we point out a real problem, they blame the problem on us. ancianita Nov 2024 #69

Don't try to go after each invented problem. wnylib Nov 2024 #82

Oh, I have solutions that fit. Problem is - People don't like them. ck4829 Nov 2024 #29

I like these. erronis Nov 2024 #33

Well said! charliea Nov 2024 #51

Abortion - between the pregnant female, her Doctor, and her God. haele Nov 2024 #67

I hate to short circuit this survey, but I will answer oldmanlynn Nov 2024 #31

Also make sure you do it repetitively all the time 24 seven every day oldmanlynn Nov 2024 #32

Yes. Reaching them with strong, repeated messages is very important. wnylib Nov 2024 #83

"THEY ARE LYING TO YOU" for all 10 answers. "They give solutions to imaginary problems." Jack Valentino Nov 2024 #34

You forgot "litter boxes for students identifying as furries" in the issue of education NotASurfer Nov 2024 #36

I was in that poll. Butterflylady Nov 2024 #37

Let's try this (yup, it's hard) LearnedHand Nov 2024 #39

I say we double down on the Rights lies steelyboo Nov 2024 #40

Defining the problem is the solution. talking-liberally Nov 2024 #41

Some Bumper Sticker Answers... orwell Nov 2024 #42

Pretty good!!! But what does "cons" mean in this: "Stop the Cons Attack on Women's Health!" LAS14 Nov 2024 #80

I stopped calling Republicans... orwell Nov 2024 #85

GOP propaganda has defined the problems and gets to set the narrative. Artistree22 Nov 2024 #45

Great exercise. It's way overdue. live love laugh Nov 2024 #47

"Ukraine even though they started the war with Russia!" Dave Bowman Nov 2024 #48

How do you reach through the false premise and solve the deeper problems? mahina Nov 2024 #54

Its not about solutions. It never was. Scrivener7 Nov 2024 #57

Fine in theory, but we have no machine to counter theirs. No independent media and no real left-wing media. Native Nov 2024 #58

KNR niyad Nov 2024 #59

Inflation and Immigration EarthAbides Nov 2024 #60

Appreciate the effort but the problem isn't primarly a messaging problem it's a trust problem mathematic Nov 2024 #63

I think we're mostly in agreement EarlG Nov 2024 #64

Sure, TheKentuckian Nov 2024 #65

Off the top of my head. Buzz cook Nov 2024 #66

That's how Monty Montgomery became the horse whisperer. Qutzupalotl Nov 2024 #70

starting now, we need to set the agenda of problems that need to be addressed. ecstatic Nov 2024 #73

Any of our solutions are pointless ibegurpard Nov 2024 #74

Keeping with the idea of keeping it short: dgauss Nov 2024 #84

alright I'll give it a go proud patriot Nov 2024 #88

Strength, strength is what is needed ThePartyThatListens Nov 2024 #89