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Sun Nov 17, 2024, 12:32 PM Nov 17

2 letters Requesting VP Harris to Request of Demand Recounts of 2024 Presidential Election [View all]

Through my participation with an election integrity group, I have come across two letters to VP Harris, requesting (first letter) or demanding (second letter) hand recounts in the swing states. The first letter is from a group of seven computer security experts who refer to “serious election security breaches” as the rationale for the recounts, without claiming that the security breaches changed the outcome of the election. The second letter is from Stephen Spoonamore, also a computer security expert, who goes beyond the claim of security breaches to say that it is a near certainty that the breaches changed the outcome of the election.

Below are brief excerpts from both letters, starting with hyperlinks to the full letters. My brief excerpts do not contain the details of the security breaches, but the full letters contain a great amount of detail on that:

First letter

Dear Vice President Harris,

We write to alert you to serious election security breaches that have threatened the security and integrity of the 2024 elections, and to
identify ways to ensure that the will of the voters is reflected and that voters should have confidence in the result. The most effective
manner of doing so is through targeted recounts requested by the candidate. In the light of the breaches we ask that you formally request hand recounts in at least the states of Michigan, Nevada, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania. We have no evidence that the outcomes of the elections in those states were actually compromised as a result of the security breaches, and we are not suggesting that they were. But binding risk-limiting audits (RLAs) or hand recounts should be routine for all elections, especially when the stakes are high and the results are close. We believe that, under the current circumstances when massive software breaches are known and documented, recounts are necessary and appropriate to remove all potential doubt and to set an example for security best practices in all elections….



Second letter
Dear Madam Vice President:

Professionally I have worked as the CEO or CTO at seven high technology firms including two which specialized in hacking and counter-hacking operations. My clients have included numerous governments [including DoD, DHS, Dept. of State], F100 Financials and F500 Industrials. I am a lifelong Republican who has long placed service and participatory democracy over party….

You should reverse your concession, call for both a full investigation of criminal activity and demand hand recounts in all seven swing states. In my professional view there are multiple and extremely clear indications the Presidential vote was willfully compromised.

I wholly agree with the public letter of Duncan Buell, et. al. of Nov. 13th stating they believe there is a possibility of hacking and calling for hand-recounts. That letter’s clear call to action is commendable, but its cautious tone may belie the severity of what I believe has happened. In my view it is a near certainty the results have been changed at a scale which reversed the US Presidential Election…. A hand recount will most likely show you did win…. In my view, a capable and skilled series of exploits, electronic tools and hacks were used to change the Presidential vote in all seven swing states. These activities have reversed the outcomes in at least Arizona, Michigan, North Carolina, and Wisconsin. I will lay out the basics of the attack…. Finally I will outline how I would recommend investigating….

Lastly, this hack methodology may or may not have some correlation with the series of Bomb Threats called in by Russian affiliated assets. The use of distraction or diversion of this kind is common…. any jurisdiction which was subject to a bomb threat was forced to break standard operating procedure. This alone should be grounds for you to ask for a hand-recount….

I will continue to investigate with a growing group of volunteers. We are also planning to offer rewards for information. But our efforts to preserve the integrity of this election cannot take this to completion. You, and only you, can call for a full hand-recount and engage the vast public resources at your disposal. I can’t. This is all I can do. Let me know how I can help.



Given this information, in combination with past history of evidence of extensive electronic manipulation of voting machines in Presidential and other elections, almost always in favor of Republicans, I feel confident that full hand recounts of swing states will reveal the manipulation of this election enough to change the results. I desperately hope that VP Harris will believe that and take appropriate action. If any DU members have enough influence with her or those she is close to to influence their opinion on this, please attempt to do so.
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K&R Think. Again. Nov 17 #1
Yep things don't pass the smell test to me st least look at it Tribetime Nov 17 #85
Dear Madame Vice President BoRaGard Nov 17 #2
Thanks For Trying SoCalDavidS Nov 17 #3
That's because the campaign is over. tritsofme Nov 17 #5
There most certainly is a choice Time for change Nov 17 #16
Some of us are not presuming there will be valid 2026 MadameButterfly Nov 17 #9
This!!! colorado_ufo Nov 17 #20
And, when you get right down to it, elections in this country HAVE NEVER been safe, for the most part. BComplex Nov 17 #55
Making a law against Citizens United would be a good start. DiamondShark Nov 17 #65
Amen! BComplex Nov 17 #71
From this Canadian's perspective, U.S. elections are... AloeVera Nov 17 #66
I agree at this point. BComplex Nov 17 #72
"Landslide" Lyndon, amirite Seeking Serenity Nov 17 #74
We are already covering this in depth in several other threads Abnredleg Nov 17 #4
Some may not hhave seen the other threads. niyad Nov 17 #15
Thank you. I, for one, have not seen the other threads h2ebits Nov 17 #22
Ditto here. KPN Nov 17 #31
Here's mine: David Boyle Nov 17 #79
Huh! malaise Nov 17 #67
Good! Cetacea Nov 18 #97
is there a limit of one thread per topic? garybeck Nov 18 #98
Please, Madame Vice President... pandr32 Nov 17 #6
The letters will be ignored, as they are CT nonsense Fiendish Thingy Nov 17 #7
Assuming There Were Legitimate Concerns SoCalDavidS Nov 17 #12
Dismissing legitimate concerns as "conspiracy theories" is not reasonable or helpful. Hermit-The-Prog Nov 17 #21
What is the specific concern and what supports that it is valid? TheKentuckian Nov 17 #29
Did your read the two letters? Time for change Nov 17 #37
I did. Our concepts of what evidence is must diverge apparently TheKentuckian Nov 17 #40
For now, I'll start with the first major point that Spoonamore makes Time for change Nov 17 #56
No, I don't even agree he has any findings. TheKentuckian Nov 17 #59
You didn't answer my question Time for change Nov 17 #63
That is correct. I don't agree with the premise that any findings were made to agree with. TheKentuckian Nov 17 #81
But there IS evidence, and there ARE specific reasonable suspicions. Foolacious Nov 18 #93
Apparently the specific concern is that Harris lost. Fish700 Nov 17 #73
I'm really sick of hearing a request for a recount being cmopared to what Trump did Time for change Nov 18 #99
If there was plenty of evidence you would think Harris would be interested in a recount. Fish700 Nov 18 #105
Yes, one would hope so Time for change Nov 18 #106
Democrats concede when they really won, reference; gab13by13 Nov 17 #8
And Hillary Clinton Time for change Nov 17 #83
Here are the Experts Who Should Sign the First Letter MrWowWow Nov 17 #10
Are these people you are suggesting we send the letters to? MadameButterfly Nov 17 #14
Yes MrWowWow Nov 17 #18
Thom Hartmann is going to have markodochartaigh Nov 17 #27
This is very good. Have you sent it to Kamala MadameButterfly Nov 17 #11
I've Reached Max Cynical Level SoCalDavidS Nov 17 #24
Spoonamore did a report on Ohio in 2004 Beck23 Nov 17 #44
Sometimes all you can do is watch. Beck23 Nov 17 #45
Yes, it was MadameButterfly Nov 17 #87
Thank you Time for change Nov 17 #32
Spoonamore has an interesting history. Igel Nov 17 #13
Spoonamore has spent many years working in computer security Time for change Nov 17 #23
Not according to a lot of independent experts totodeinhere Nov 17 #17
"No evidence of votes that disappeared" Qwe Nov 17 #78
NIH: Denial is a common defense mechanism used to protect oneself from the hardship of upsetting reality. Silent Type Nov 17 #19
That is sometimes true Time for change Nov 17 #64
Think we know the truth, some haven't accepted it. Silent Type Nov 17 #68
I see only two important questions . . . Richard D Nov 17 #25
They had help Loupe Garoue Nov 17 #75
This message was self-deleted by its author polichick Nov 17 #26
There is no information. Someone wrote letters with amorphous at most speculation in them. TheKentuckian Nov 17 #38
This message was self-deleted by its author polichick Nov 17 #53
You sound like you think you understand this issue better than election security experts Time for change Nov 17 #82
Some on the left are embracing election denialism that so many on the right expressed in 2020. LonePirate Nov 17 #28
And It Worked Out Poorly For Them This Year SoCalDavidS Nov 17 #33
Just like 4 years ago . . . Ms. Toad Nov 17 #30
The Alternative SoCalDavidS Nov 17 #35
Unfortunately, Ms. Toad Nov 18 #91
It's not a theory if you can prove it. Beck23 Nov 17 #39
The voting machines are not connected to the internet. Ms. Toad Nov 18 #90
The Internet isn't at all required to rig an election Time for change Nov 18 #100
No, we are not doing anything similar to what Trump did. There are 3 things that make what the writers of these letters Time for change Nov 17 #48
The voting machine conspiracy theories are virtually identical. Ms. Toad Nov 18 #89
false statement stopdiggin Nov 17 #34
He is a cyber security expert and a Republican!! Beck23 Nov 17 #41
and apparently evolving into a kook ... stopdiggin Nov 17 #46
I don't believe anti-science people Beck23 Nov 17 #47
but will latch on to stopdiggin Nov 17 #49
This is good. Beck23 Nov 17 #36
Bullet Ballots DallasNE Nov 17 #42
wrong. Musk was running a (so called) drawing stopdiggin Nov 17 #52
I suppose that some of the bullet ballets were do to Musk's operation Time for change Nov 17 #69
Is there any source for the 600,000 number? King of the sheep Nov 18 #92
Now we're talking LilElf70 Nov 17 #43
Recounts cost millions of dollars; they aren't free MichMan Nov 17 #51
Kamala made over a billion LilElf70 Nov 17 #60
You are totally wrong. The Harris campaign is now in debt. totodeinhere Nov 17 #61
Post removed Post removed Nov 17 #76
Get the unlimited funds out of our elections LilElf70 Nov 17 #77
The whole point of this thread is that Harris might have actually won. Frank D. Lincoln Nov 17 #80
recount JoeBydun Nov 17 #50
How fast some posters seem to johnnyfins Nov 17 #54
Send the Harris campaign a $45,000 check MichMan Nov 17 #57
From earlier Georgia lawsuit testing equipment Autisminsight Nov 17 #58
I don't see where he says the machines were indeed hacked Kaleva Nov 17 #62
He says with regard to the Bullet ballots Time for change Nov 17 #70
The post I replied to doesn't mention bullet ballots Kaleva Nov 17 #84
I'm not against trying something like this ... Jeebo Nov 17 #86
We'll debate and argue about this, but that won't change any facts. lees1975 Nov 18 #88
Were the bullet ballots ONLY in favor of Trump? Foolacious Nov 18 #94
The election is over SpankMe Nov 18 #95
Concessions have no legal status. They can be retracted Time for change Nov 18 #101
There's a time to be right, and there's a time to act strategically SpankMe Nov 18 #104
I strongly disagree that a request for recounts and retraction of her concession would delay a return to Democracy at al Time for change Nov 18 #107
Forget 28, we should be focusing on 26. Initech Nov 18 #102
forget a recount 4catsmom Nov 18 #96
That's a great idea Time for change Nov 18 #103
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