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TheKentuckian

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29. What is the specific concern and what supports that it is valid?

Sun Nov 17, 2024, 01:50 PM

Nov 17

People are calling conspiracy theories because that is what the concerns seem to add up to so far making them less than legitimate.

Incredulity is not evidence, it isn't a hypothesis, it isn't even really an argument.

There is not even an underling a testable theory, people are holistically asserting "something isn't right", but cannot even offer what the issues are and at this point most of them have positioned themselves to only accept the magical proof that something didn't happen and rankle at being asked what did happen which is a far more provable position.

People are making the Chump 2020 election case but with much larger margins, unsupported and very generalized speculation at best that would not exist if the results aligned with desires.

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2 letters Requesting VP Harris to Request of Demand Recounts of 2024 Presidential Election [View all] Time for change Nov 17 OP

K&R Think. Again. Nov 17 #1

Yep things don't pass the smell test to me st least look at it Tribetime Nov 17 #85

Dear Madame Vice President BoRaGard Nov 17 #2

Thanks For Trying SoCalDavidS Nov 17 #3

That's because the campaign is over. tritsofme Nov 17 #5

There most certainly is a choice Time for change Nov 17 #16

Some of us are not presuming there will be valid 2026 MadameButterfly Nov 17 #9

This!!! colorado_ufo Nov 17 #20

And, when you get right down to it, elections in this country HAVE NEVER been safe, for the most part. BComplex Nov 17 #55

Making a law against Citizens United would be a good start. DiamondShark Nov 17 #65

Amen! BComplex Nov 17 #71

From this Canadian's perspective, U.S. elections are... AloeVera Nov 17 #66

I agree at this point. BComplex Nov 17 #72

"Landslide" Lyndon, amirite Seeking Serenity Nov 17 #74

We are already covering this in depth in several other threads Abnredleg Nov 17 #4

Some may not hhave seen the other threads. niyad Nov 17 #15

Thank you. I, for one, have not seen the other threads h2ebits Nov 17 #22

Ditto here. KPN Nov 17 #31

Here's mine: David Boyle Nov 17 #79

Huh! malaise Nov 17 #67

Good! Cetacea Nov 18 #97

is there a limit of one thread per topic? garybeck Nov 18 #98

Please, Madame Vice President... pandr32 Nov 17 #6

The letters will be ignored, as they are CT nonsense Fiendish Thingy Nov 17 #7

Assuming There Were Legitimate Concerns SoCalDavidS Nov 17 #12

Dismissing legitimate concerns as "conspiracy theories" is not reasonable or helpful. Hermit-The-Prog Nov 17 #21

What is the specific concern and what supports that it is valid? TheKentuckian Nov 17 #29

Did your read the two letters? Time for change Nov 17 #37

I did. Our concepts of what evidence is must diverge apparently TheKentuckian Nov 17 #40

For now, I'll start with the first major point that Spoonamore makes Time for change Nov 17 #56

No, I don't even agree he has any findings. TheKentuckian Nov 17 #59

You didn't answer my question Time for change Nov 17 #63

That is correct. I don't agree with the premise that any findings were made to agree with. TheKentuckian Nov 17 #81

But there IS evidence, and there ARE specific reasonable suspicions. Foolacious Nov 18 #93

Apparently the specific concern is that Harris lost. Fish700 Nov 17 #73

I'm really sick of hearing a request for a recount being cmopared to what Trump did Time for change Nov 18 #99

If there was plenty of evidence you would think Harris would be interested in a recount. Fish700 Nov 18 #105

Yes, one would hope so Time for change Nov 18 #106

Democrats concede when they really won, reference; gab13by13 Nov 17 #8

And Hillary Clinton Time for change Nov 17 #83

Here are the Experts Who Should Sign the First Letter MrWowWow Nov 17 #10

Are these people you are suggesting we send the letters to? MadameButterfly Nov 17 #14

Yes MrWowWow Nov 17 #18

Thom Hartmann is going to have markodochartaigh Nov 17 #27

This is very good. Have you sent it to Kamala MadameButterfly Nov 17 #11

I've Reached Max Cynical Level SoCalDavidS Nov 17 #24

Spoonamore did a report on Ohio in 2004 Beck23 Nov 17 #44

Sometimes all you can do is watch. Beck23 Nov 17 #45

Yes, it was MadameButterfly Nov 17 #87

Thank you Time for change Nov 17 #32

Spoonamore has an interesting history. Igel Nov 17 #13

Spoonamore has spent many years working in computer security Time for change Nov 17 #23

Not according to a lot of independent experts totodeinhere Nov 17 #17

"No evidence of votes that disappeared" Qwe Nov 17 #78

NIH: Denial is a common defense mechanism used to protect oneself from the hardship of upsetting reality. Silent Type Nov 17 #19

That is sometimes true Time for change Nov 17 #64

Think we know the truth, some haven't accepted it. Silent Type Nov 17 #68

I see only two important questions . . . Richard D Nov 17 #25

They had help Loupe Garoue Nov 17 #75

This message was self-deleted by its author polichick Nov 17 #26

There is no information. Someone wrote letters with amorphous at most speculation in them. TheKentuckian Nov 17 #38

This message was self-deleted by its author polichick Nov 17 #53

You sound like you think you understand this issue better than election security experts Time for change Nov 17 #82

Some on the left are embracing election denialism that so many on the right expressed in 2020. LonePirate Nov 17 #28

And It Worked Out Poorly For Them This Year SoCalDavidS Nov 17 #33

Just like 4 years ago . . . Ms. Toad Nov 17 #30

The Alternative SoCalDavidS Nov 17 #35

Unfortunately, Ms. Toad Nov 18 #91

It's not a theory if you can prove it. Beck23 Nov 17 #39

The voting machines are not connected to the internet. Ms. Toad Nov 18 #90

The Internet isn't at all required to rig an election Time for change Nov 18 #100

No, we are not doing anything similar to what Trump did. There are 3 things that make what the writers of these letters Time for change Nov 17 #48

The voting machine conspiracy theories are virtually identical. Ms. Toad Nov 18 #89

false statement stopdiggin Nov 17 #34

He is a cyber security expert and a Republican!! Beck23 Nov 17 #41

and apparently evolving into a kook ... stopdiggin Nov 17 #46

I don't believe anti-science people Beck23 Nov 17 #47

but will latch on to stopdiggin Nov 17 #49

This is good. Beck23 Nov 17 #36

Bullet Ballots DallasNE Nov 17 #42

wrong. Musk was running a (so called) drawing stopdiggin Nov 17 #52

I suppose that some of the bullet ballets were do to Musk's operation Time for change Nov 17 #69

Is there any source for the 600,000 number? King of the sheep Nov 18 #92

Now we're talking LilElf70 Nov 17 #43

Recounts cost millions of dollars; they aren't free MichMan Nov 17 #51

Kamala made over a billion LilElf70 Nov 17 #60

You are totally wrong. The Harris campaign is now in debt. totodeinhere Nov 17 #61

Post removed Post removed Nov 17 #76

Get the unlimited funds out of our elections LilElf70 Nov 17 #77

The whole point of this thread is that Harris might have actually won. Frank D. Lincoln Nov 17 #80

recount JoeBydun Nov 17 #50

How fast some posters seem to johnnyfins Nov 17 #54

Send the Harris campaign a $45,000 check MichMan Nov 17 #57

From earlier Georgia lawsuit testing equipment Autisminsight Nov 17 #58

I don't see where he says the machines were indeed hacked Kaleva Nov 17 #62

He says with regard to the Bullet ballots Time for change Nov 17 #70

The post I replied to doesn't mention bullet ballots Kaleva Nov 17 #84

I'm not against trying something like this ... Jeebo Nov 17 #86

We'll debate and argue about this, but that won't change any facts. lees1975 Nov 18 #88

Were the bullet ballots ONLY in favor of Trump? Foolacious Nov 18 #94

The election is over SpankMe Nov 18 #95

Concessions have no legal status. They can be retracted Time for change Nov 18 #101

There's a time to be right, and there's a time to act strategically SpankMe Nov 18 #104

I strongly disagree that a request for recounts and retraction of her concession would delay a return to Democracy at al Time for change Nov 18 #107

Forget 28, we should be focusing on 26. Initech Nov 18 #102

forget a recount 4catsmom Nov 18 #96

That's a great idea Time for change Nov 18 #103