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ancianita

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45. Worth considering, so here goes.

Mon Nov 18, 2024, 08:22 AM

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those people who don't get to the polls and vote for civility, reason and democracy, not just for POTUS, but all the way down ticket, at the very least are willing to accept what is coming. Or, more to the point, only about 30% of this county care about these things enough to take a half hour or so out of their lives two day a year to safeguard them

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I'm not disagreeing with your view of similar populations voting across two elections, but when you say voters can "safeguard" democracy by voting, I don't see how they can IF the state numbers have been honest (which I doubt, given their penchant for election cheating).

This third cycle, the latest voting population looked different from 2020. The numbers seem significant, when one looks at the huge change in registered voters as a percentage of total electorate population between 2020 (246,000,000 give or take) and 2024 (259,454,702).

Total actual voting age population 2024 = 262,000,000 from
https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2024/03/29/2024-06666/estimates-of-the-voting-age-population-for-2023
(Total actual voting age population 2020 = 246,000,000)

Total Registereds as of Nov 5 2024 = 188,364,114
(Total Registereds as of Nov 3 2020 = 213,799,467 = 87% of the total voting age lower population in 2020 )
https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/number-of-registered-voters-by-state

Total registereds who voted in 2024 = ??
Total registereds who voted in 2020 (R + D + 3rd) = 158,397,374

Total voters WHO VOTED BUT DID NOT VOTE TRUMP (D + 3rd) = to be determined after 12/11/24
Total voters WHO VOTED BUT DID NOT VOTE TRUMP (D + 3rd) = 84,174,344

Total registereds who did NOT vote in 2024 = ??
Total registereds who did NOT vote in 2020 = 55,402,093

When it comes to numbers, the count is what has mattered, and who does/has done that count. Without tabulator monitors 24/7/365, I don't see how tabulations will match human votes.

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A NYT opinion column that nails it. [View all] crud Sunday OP

Thanks for this 😊 Blue_Tires Sunday #1

that one is a few years too late. rampartd Sunday #2

They can never undo all of their sane-washing wolfie001 Sunday #23

"liberal new york times" rampartd Monday #40

Judith Miller barf wolfie001 Monday #48

oh NOW they say it Skittles Sunday #3

"They" aren't saying it. This is a Roxanne Gay Op-Ed. maxsolomon Monday #56

The NY Times encouraged and supported, actively, Trump, both in 2016 and in 2024. Fuck that "but her emails..." "old... NNadir Sunday #4

For ALL practical purposes, simply put DENVERPOPS Monday #51

Oh wow NOW a warning? mountain grammy Sunday #5

Since its an Opinion/Editorial by Roxanne Gay maxsolomon Monday #53

And yet, somehow, they couldn't endorse Harris. Grumpy Old Guy Sunday #6

I'm pretty sure NYT DID endorse VP Harris Seeking Serenity Sunday #8

False Shrek Sunday #13

It was the Washington Post that didn't endorse her radical noodle Sunday #14

I stand corrected. Grumpy Old Guy Sunday #30

And yet you did not correct the post that accused them of not endorsing Harris maxsolomon Monday #52

No, the Washington Post refused endorsements, whathehell Monday #49

Wtf?? WE'VE been saying the exact same B.See Sunday #7

Great piece by Contributing Opinion Writer Roxane Gay. Pinback Sunday #9

This piece makes a too-common, WRONG assumption about who "we" are. 22% of Americans is NOT who 78% of Americans are. ancianita Sunday #10

Thank you for that. If only we could convince more to vote. Hermit-The-Prog Sunday #18

YW. Just mapping it out helps. ancianita Sunday #21

Brilliant response - thank you! jmbar2 Sunday #24

Absolutely! ancianita Sunday #25

I really like your fighting spirit jmbar2 Sunday #26

Awwww, hell to the YEAH !!! Seinan Sensei Sunday #28

i love what you wrote but where are you getting the 22% number (and the 78% number)? nt orleans Sunday #32

Thanks. Sure. ancianita Sunday #33

got it! thank you! orleans Sunday #35

29% of US voting age population voted for Trump in 2024. SomewhereInTheMiddle Monday #42

Exactly. ancianita Monday #44

76,510,127 / 244,666,890 eligible-to-vote equals 31.3% of those eligible to vote voted for tRump nmmi Monday #47

If you want to use a university from Florida, run by Sasse/Fuchs, I'm not going to argue about eligible vote numbers. ancianita Monday #57

If you have any other source, I will gladly use that. nmmi Monday #73

Sure. I live in Florida and since covid, don't trust Florida's govt or RW universities. I use other sources. ancianita Monday #74

Sorry, but as I patiently pointed out, not everyone who is over 18 can legally vote - e.g. non-citizens. a lot of felons nmmi Monday #75

If you want the electorate population, you have to do the math as shown in my posts above. ancianita Monday #76

Uh, err, you forgot that many felons can't vote. And the undocumented population is a subset of non-citizens nmmi Monday #77

I think the "electorate" as the denominator... reACTIONary Monday #50

I do, too, since it's the bigger population that, divided into Trump votes, shows them as a percent of ancianita Monday #58

Sorry, but no Cosmocat Monday #43

Worth considering, so here goes. ancianita Monday #45

but 346,134,190 is not of voting age mahina Monday #81

Right F'ckn On! montanacowboy Sunday #11

No thanks mcar Sunday #12

Where were they in the last days before the election? brush Sunday #15

They had their heads buried in the sand sakabatou Sunday #16

Did you read the same NYT I did in the last days before the election? maxsolomon Monday #55

I watched NYT staffers on cable constantly bash Biden/Harris. brush Monday #61

I'm defending it because I don't believe its the malign actor that you do, maxsolomon Monday #62

Oh please. The NYT is ust about as complicit in not going after the 'weaving', white supremacist asshole that is tsrump. brush Monday #63

What am I supposed to subscribe to? The Daily Worker? maxsolomon Monday #68

Seems to me the NYT bashed Biden/Harris as much as you allege it declared trump unfit. brush Monday #70

The NYT has been an active participant in the propaganda network. Hermit-The-Prog Sunday #17

Exactly. ancianita Sunday #27

Dietrich Bonhoeffer said stupid prople are the most dangerous Beck23 Sunday #19

Yes, and Bonhoeffer knew why. ancianita Sunday #29

A NYT opinion column that nails it. MLWR Sunday #20

Too little, too late. Fuck the NYT. (nt) Paladin Sunday #22

IMO, Harris still had the best chance. Any other dem would have done much worse AlexSFCA Sunday #31

Agree. ancianita Sunday #36

Roxane Gay, a contributing Opinion writer, continues... Hekate Sunday #34

I wonder... kevinore Sunday #37

Archive littlemissmartypants Sunday #38

Day late and several dollars short relayerbob Monday #39

Too little, too late. Old Crank Monday #41

To my knowledge PennRalphie Monday #46

Said it the other day... krkaufman Monday #54

Another good piece... krkaufman Tuesday #84

There were several excellent op-ed columns in yesterday's NYT bif Monday #59

That's the most important thing. maxsolomon Monday #60

I still subscribe to the NYTimes because they have some great writers and reporters (and the crossword and games), but LymphocyteLover Monday #65

Can you point at a single mainstream US newspaper whose priorities weren't "warped"? maxsolomon Monday #69

Actually our Detroit Free Press is pretty decent. bif Monday #71

In what way? maxsolomon Monday #78

Do you work for them? JustAnotherGen Monday #80

I don't work for them. Are you serious? maxsolomon Monday #82

I don't know. My local paper avoids partisan politics as much as they can. Seemed like the Philadelphia Enquirer LymphocyteLover Monday #83

OMG yes! The people most under-represented in the media are regular sane Democrats like us!!! LymphocyteLover Monday #64

I love the NYT's Sunday Edition bif Monday #66

Where were they JustAnotherGen Monday #67

Tell me you don't read the NYT without telling me you don't read the NYT. maxsolomon Monday #72

Ah - yeah i didn't and won't JustAnotherGen Monday #79