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Martin68

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20. I've been saying this since the day after the election. The right wing media's lies, disinformation, and misinformation

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Mon Nov 18, 2024, 02:01 PM

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persuaded a majority of Americans that Trump was the better candidate. If it was just racism, misogyny, or greed he would don't have won a majority. The fact that it is legal to spread lies about the government and people in the media is the biggest threat to our democracy. We can't assume anymore that most people actually know what the facts are.

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From Substack: Why does No One Understand the Real Reason Trump Won? [View all] kerry-is-my-prez Monday OP

The war on reality lame54 Monday #1

Flooding the news zones with bullshit until even the NYT and WaPo start repeating it. erronis Monday #2

It's bad enough, but the mainstream media we try to rely on pick up what they say and repeats it verbatim Walleye Monday #3

I disagree DaddyShark Monday #4

We in the US are ignoring this fact in our Nationalist Bubble haele Monday #11

THIS! THIS! THIS! THIS! THIS! THIS! InstantGratification Monday #32

People in America didn't see the total at the grocery store and say, jimfields33 Monday #37

Sure - but how did that translate into voting for Trump? yardwork Monday #41

Voters are not always reasonable or logical. jimfields33 Monday #55

Inflation wasn't bad under Trump TheFarseer Monday #87

Inflation took off during Trump's last year. yardwork Monday #94

Inflation in 2020 was low. It was 1.4% In 2021 it was 7.0% EdmondDantes_ Monday #95

inflation poozwah Tuesday #102

Did people forget how many Americans died of Covid-19 because of T's BS? OMGWTF Tuesday #104

Trump lost in 2020. That was toward the end of KPN Monday #49

Trump lost in 2020 because he was a dumpster fire, but COVID was still affecting the US through 2022 haele Monday #63

Your last sentence is key. yardwork Monday #28

Multiple Factors Metaphorical Monday #31

Here's my frustration. yardwork Monday #33

Correct Cosmocat Monday #38

most people aren't paying attention MadameButterfly Monday #60

Voters Avalon Sparks Monday #75

In that case, there was nothing we could have done differently. yardwork Monday #78

Different Avalon Sparks Monday #80

+1 leftstreet Monday #45

Inflation certainly played a role, but in my view a lesser KPN Monday #50

I suspect many people WANT a rude, loud, blathering, large man for President. raging moderate Monday #83

Aside from the Interest Rates or flooding the nation with paper money Dan Monday #59

Yep this article sums up the Democratic Party thumper2547 Monday #66

You have some good points DaddyShark Monday #70

I completely agree with you Jk23 Monday #68

The sane-washing and the both-siderism of most media didn't help either. chowder66 Monday #5

Finally someone pointing to massive disinformation campaign as reason oldmanlynn Monday #6

It wasn't just the right wing propagandists. lees1975 Monday #7

Thank you for this Flatrat Monday #8

I agree with you 100% OnionPatch Tuesday #107

Probably because there's no "one" reason she lost. BannonsLiver Monday #9

It's going to takes months of research to come up with valid reasons Kaleva Monday #17

Of course there are multiple reasons, but right wing media does what it does, and it works well. Trust_Reality Monday #30

Exactly. The media is part of it Bluetus Monday #39

Blue, I basically agree with every point you bringup. slightlv Monday #96

Depressing how so few understand FDR and his genius Bluetus Monday #97

I like your term "The Great Descent" ! slightlv Wednesday #109

FDR was polite, but hard-hitting Bluetus Wednesday #110

Nope. It's still the profound stupidity of a significant percentage flvegan Monday #10

Agree Kaleva Monday #16

Yup....and their racist sexist crap of not voting for a woman...regardless of the pain it will cause PortTack Monday #23

The post-birth abortion bullshit and gender reassignment surgery at schools sealed my agreement with you. Pacifist Patriot Monday #24

They grabbed the excuses because they wanted excuses. yardwork Monday #34

Bingo! PortTack Monday #57

This is true also but the average IQ is 100 - not very high. kerry-is-my-prez Monday #25

Nothing to say except K&R mountain grammy Monday #12

Fox, Joe Rogan, etc put out what people want Kaleva Monday #13

Bingo. I have quoted Terry Pratchett a number of times. love_katz Monday #62

I 100% agree. Kaleva Monday #69

It was a bad idea for Dems to go after Rogan womanofthehills Monday #93

An Interesting perspective! Kaleva Monday #99

ostrich head in sand analysis. WarGamer Monday #14

And I will continue to disagree every time. yardwork Monday #36

I agree with you BUT we have to deal with what we've got... WarGamer Monday #42

Agreed. How do we compete? yardwork Monday #44

What did Obama do? WarGamer Monday #47

I hope you're right. A lot has changed in 10 years, though. yardwork Monday #67

Most of the media Katcat Monday #15

I fully agree.. Escape Monday #18

People live for conspiracy theories. kerry-is-my-prez Monday #26

Most of the voters know exactly who and what Trump is. Irish_Dem Monday #19

I've been saying this since the day after the election. The right wing media's lies, disinformation, and misinformation Martin68 Monday #20

Precisely. It's an epidemic. Mr. Mustard 2023 Monday #21

Bingo Sugarcoated Monday #22

Media is a lesser portion - Nigrum Cattus Monday #27

Agreed, and the MSM, Cable, press etc. are/were complicit as they didn't clearly... brush Monday #29

This take is dated. The difference maker was social media manipulation JCMach1 Monday #35

Dems will never truly win as long as the reich-wing noise machine exists hurple Monday #40

Yep -- THIS is the BIGGEST REASON Martin Eden Monday #43

Well, poor messaging has been screamed since 2015 to no avail. NT. SayItLoud Monday #46

MAGA has a better amplification network and they spent 20 years developing it, it doesn't matter if Trump wears a narrow uponit7771 Monday #52

Trump didn't win. Harris lost leftstreet Monday #48

No doubt Tweedy Monday #51

Exactly! Tesha Monday #53

Just nowforever Monday #54

All for the money Quanto Magnus Monday #56

There's also an unspoken war on education. SleeplessinSoCal Monday #58

Look at that crazy psycho fuckhead in Oklahoma. Initech Monday #73

I'm afraid we're not up to the fight needed against the SleeplessinSoCal Monday #84

We'd better. The fate of the world is at stake. Initech Monday #89

I'm old enough to remember when Karl Rove said. "We create our own reality." But I'm not sure our path should include,, surfered Monday #61

Democracy Drowns in Disinformation IronLionZion Monday #64

We need our own media ecosystem, and we need to *support* it. Until then... keep_left Monday #65

Left talk radio / alternative media won't work because Democrats don't believe there is a grand conspiracy to hide the.. Fish700 Monday #77

It has worked, and continues to work at MSNBC, Mike Malloy, Democracy Now, KTNF in MN, etc. keep_left Monday #79

To get people to fucking listen, will need to be entertaining FIRST. Few will tune in to hear someone read the newspaper SoFlaBro Monday #98

Well, Air America had some pretty entertaining shows, but they went bankrupt anyway. keep_left Tuesday #105

Fuckstain Rush Limpdong was on multiple AM stations in the same fucking market with a couple hundred listeners. SoFlaBro Tuesday #106

Yep. Ask Randi Rhodes. Her #1 show was cancelled by the network for Limbaugh's. keep_left Tuesday #108

Yeah we just need to start telling the truth. Initech Monday #90

The working class is not the same as the working poor. One of those is never talked about. Autumn Monday #71

Important. elleng Monday #92

The real answer: IT WAS SPITE. And malice. Initech Monday #72

Economy Avalon Sparks Monday #74

It's everything discussed here, and more LilElf70 Monday #76

Nexus: a book to recommend Godot51 Monday #81

yup krkaufman Monday #82

ALSO roomtomove Monday #85

Yes, conservative control of news and successful voter suppression. Voter suppression isn't mentioned in the, why ShazamIam Monday #86

Exactly. Rs weren't brainwashed in a vacuum, it was years of Fox and rw media pounding propaganda into their heads. Pepsidog Monday #88

by Michael John Tomasky elleng Monday #91

We understand. Dem leadership does not. GregGilman Tuesday #100

Yes. And the task escalated from defeating a candidate to defeating Russian, Chinese, Iranian and far right disinfo mahina Tuesday #101

Propaganda works. Propaganda applied intensely REALLY works. SupportSanity Tuesday #103

The question would then be: why do so many Americans choose to consume crappy right wing media? muriel_volestrangler Wednesday #111