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61. I'm old enough to remember when Karl Rove said. "We create our own reality." But I'm not sure our path should include,,

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Mon Nov 18, 2024, 04:00 PM

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...shameless, repeated lying and promoting conspiracy theories. I know it worked for Trump, but it still gives me pause as I'm an honest person.

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From Substack: Why does No One Understand the Real Reason Trump Won? [View all] kerry-is-my-prez Monday OP

The war on reality lame54 Monday #1

Flooding the news zones with bullshit until even the NYT and WaPo start repeating it. erronis Monday #2

It's bad enough, but the mainstream media we try to rely on pick up what they say and repeats it verbatim Walleye Monday #3

I disagree DaddyShark Monday #4

We in the US are ignoring this fact in our Nationalist Bubble haele Monday #11

THIS! THIS! THIS! THIS! THIS! THIS! InstantGratification Monday #32

People in America didn't see the total at the grocery store and say, jimfields33 Monday #37

Sure - but how did that translate into voting for Trump? yardwork Monday #41

Voters are not always reasonable or logical. jimfields33 Monday #55

Inflation wasn't bad under Trump TheFarseer Monday #87

Inflation took off during Trump's last year. yardwork Monday #94

Inflation in 2020 was low. It was 1.4% In 2021 it was 7.0% EdmondDantes_ Monday #95

inflation poozwah Tuesday #102

Did people forget how many Americans died of Covid-19 because of T's BS? OMGWTF Tuesday #104

Trump lost in 2020. That was toward the end of KPN Monday #49

Trump lost in 2020 because he was a dumpster fire, but COVID was still affecting the US through 2022 haele Monday #63

Your last sentence is key. yardwork Monday #28

Multiple Factors Metaphorical Monday #31

Here's my frustration. yardwork Monday #33

Correct Cosmocat Monday #38

most people aren't paying attention MadameButterfly Monday #60

Voters Avalon Sparks Monday #75

In that case, there was nothing we could have done differently. yardwork Monday #78

Different Avalon Sparks Monday #80

+1 leftstreet Monday #45

Inflation certainly played a role, but in my view a lesser KPN Monday #50

I suspect many people WANT a rude, loud, blathering, large man for President. raging moderate Monday #83

Aside from the Interest Rates or flooding the nation with paper money Dan Monday #59

Yep this article sums up the Democratic Party thumper2547 Monday #66

You have some good points DaddyShark Monday #70

I completely agree with you Jk23 Monday #68

The sane-washing and the both-siderism of most media didn't help either. chowder66 Monday #5

Finally someone pointing to massive disinformation campaign as reason oldmanlynn Monday #6

It wasn't just the right wing propagandists. lees1975 Monday #7

Thank you for this Flatrat Monday #8

I agree with you 100% OnionPatch Tuesday #107

Probably because there's no "one" reason she lost. BannonsLiver Monday #9

It's going to takes months of research to come up with valid reasons Kaleva Monday #17

Of course there are multiple reasons, but right wing media does what it does, and it works well. Trust_Reality Monday #30

Exactly. The media is part of it Bluetus Monday #39

Blue, I basically agree with every point you bringup. slightlv Monday #96

Depressing how so few understand FDR and his genius Bluetus Monday #97

I like your term "The Great Descent" ! slightlv 20 hrs ago #109

FDR was polite, but hard-hitting Bluetus 19 hrs ago #110

Nope. It's still the profound stupidity of a significant percentage flvegan Monday #10

Agree Kaleva Monday #16

Yup....and their racist sexist crap of not voting for a woman...regardless of the pain it will cause PortTack Monday #23

The post-birth abortion bullshit and gender reassignment surgery at schools sealed my agreement with you. Pacifist Patriot Monday #24

They grabbed the excuses because they wanted excuses. yardwork Monday #34

Bingo! PortTack Monday #57

This is true also but the average IQ is 100 - not very high. kerry-is-my-prez Monday #25

Nothing to say except K&R mountain grammy Monday #12

Fox, Joe Rogan, etc put out what people want Kaleva Monday #13

Bingo. I have quoted Terry Pratchett a number of times. love_katz Monday #62

I 100% agree. Kaleva Monday #69

It was a bad idea for Dems to go after Rogan womanofthehills Monday #93

An Interesting perspective! Kaleva Monday #99

ostrich head in sand analysis. WarGamer Monday #14

And I will continue to disagree every time. yardwork Monday #36

I agree with you BUT we have to deal with what we've got... WarGamer Monday #42

Agreed. How do we compete? yardwork Monday #44

What did Obama do? WarGamer Monday #47

I hope you're right. A lot has changed in 10 years, though. yardwork Monday #67

Most of the media Katcat Monday #15

I fully agree.. Escape Monday #18

People live for conspiracy theories. kerry-is-my-prez Monday #26

Most of the voters know exactly who and what Trump is. Irish_Dem Monday #19

I've been saying this since the day after the election. The right wing media's lies, disinformation, and misinformation Martin68 Monday #20

Precisely. It's an epidemic. Mr. Mustard 2023 Monday #21

Bingo Sugarcoated Monday #22

Media is a lesser portion - Nigrum Cattus Monday #27

Agreed, and the MSM, Cable, press etc. are/were complicit as they didn't clearly... brush Monday #29

This take is dated. The difference maker was social media manipulation JCMach1 Monday #35

Dems will never truly win as long as the reich-wing noise machine exists hurple Monday #40

Yep -- THIS is the BIGGEST REASON Martin Eden Monday #43

Well, poor messaging has been screamed since 2015 to no avail. NT. SayItLoud Monday #46

MAGA has a better amplification network and they spent 20 years developing it, it doesn't matter if Trump wears a narrow uponit7771 Monday #52

Trump didn't win. Harris lost leftstreet Monday #48

No doubt Tweedy Monday #51

Exactly! Tesha Monday #53

Just nowforever Monday #54

All for the money Quanto Magnus Monday #56

There's also an unspoken war on education. SleeplessinSoCal Monday #58

Look at that crazy psycho fuckhead in Oklahoma. Initech Monday #73

I'm afraid we're not up to the fight needed against the SleeplessinSoCal Monday #84

We'd better. The fate of the world is at stake. Initech Monday #89

I'm old enough to remember when Karl Rove said. "We create our own reality." But I'm not sure our path should include,, surfered Monday #61

Democracy Drowns in Disinformation IronLionZion Monday #64

We need our own media ecosystem, and we need to *support* it. Until then... keep_left Monday #65

Left talk radio / alternative media won't work because Democrats don't believe there is a grand conspiracy to hide the.. Fish700 Monday #77

It has worked, and continues to work at MSNBC, Mike Malloy, Democracy Now, KTNF in MN, etc. keep_left Monday #79

To get people to fucking listen, will need to be entertaining FIRST. Few will tune in to hear someone read the newspaper SoFlaBro Monday #98

Well, Air America had some pretty entertaining shows, but they went bankrupt anyway. keep_left Tuesday #105

Fuckstain Rush Limpdong was on multiple AM stations in the same fucking market with a couple hundred listeners. SoFlaBro Tuesday #106

Yep. Ask Randi Rhodes. Her #1 show was cancelled by the network for Limbaugh's. keep_left Tuesday #108

Yeah we just need to start telling the truth. Initech Monday #90

The working class is not the same as the working poor. One of those is never talked about. Autumn Monday #71

Important. elleng Monday #92

The real answer: IT WAS SPITE. And malice. Initech Monday #72

Economy Avalon Sparks Monday #74

It's everything discussed here, and more LilElf70 Monday #76

Nexus: a book to recommend Godot51 Monday #81

yup krkaufman Monday #82

ALSO roomtomove Monday #85

Yes, conservative control of news and successful voter suppression. Voter suppression isn't mentioned in the, why ShazamIam Monday #86

Exactly. Rs weren't brainwashed in a vacuum, it was years of Fox and rw media pounding propaganda into their heads. Pepsidog Monday #88

by Michael John Tomasky elleng Monday #91

We understand. Dem leadership does not. GregGilman Tuesday #100

Yes. And the task escalated from defeating a candidate to defeating Russian, Chinese, Iranian and far right disinfo mahina Tuesday #101

Propaganda works. Propaganda applied intensely REALLY works. SupportSanity Tuesday #103

The question would then be: why do so many Americans choose to consume crappy right wing media? muriel_volestrangler 18 hrs ago #111