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Avalon Sparks

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75. Voters

Mon Nov 18, 2024, 06:47 PM

Nov 18

Some voters just believe that voting the opposite after their pocketbook takes a dive is the answer. They blame whoever’s administration it tanked under. That is all. The Dems were up against a tsunami this time considering that crazy increase in inflation in 21/22 and even 23. Im surprised how well we did do in this election.

And honestly that’s exactly how I based my vote BEFORE I started paying attention to politics or the news.

Not excusing it, just explaining.

If I had continued to use this ‘method’ the last 20 years, my votes would have been Kerry, Obama, Trump, Biden, Trump - as far as my Personal economic situations were during their terms.

I started looking at politics during Bush2 though, and made my choice of party pretty quickly after.

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From Substack: Why does No One Understand the Real Reason Trump Won? [View all] kerry-is-my-prez Nov 18 OP

The war on reality lame54 Nov 18 #1

Flooding the news zones with bullshit until even the NYT and WaPo start repeating it. erronis Nov 18 #2

It's bad enough, but the mainstream media we try to rely on pick up what they say and repeats it verbatim Walleye Nov 18 #3

I disagree DaddyShark Nov 18 #4

We in the US are ignoring this fact in our Nationalist Bubble haele Nov 18 #11

THIS! THIS! THIS! THIS! THIS! THIS! InstantGratification Nov 18 #32

People in America didn't see the total at the grocery store and say, jimfields33 Nov 18 #37

Sure - but how did that translate into voting for Trump? yardwork Nov 18 #41

Voters are not always reasonable or logical. jimfields33 Nov 18 #55

Inflation wasn't bad under Trump TheFarseer Nov 18 #87

Inflation took off during Trump's last year. yardwork Nov 18 #94

Inflation in 2020 was low. It was 1.4% In 2021 it was 7.0% EdmondDantes_ Nov 18 #95

inflation poozwah Nov 19 #102

Did people forget how many Americans died of Covid-19 because of T's BS? OMGWTF Nov 19 #104

Trump lost in 2020. That was toward the end of KPN Nov 18 #49

Trump lost in 2020 because he was a dumpster fire, but COVID was still affecting the US through 2022 haele Nov 18 #63

Your last sentence is key. yardwork Nov 18 #28

Multiple Factors Metaphorical Nov 18 #31

Here's my frustration. yardwork Nov 18 #33

Correct Cosmocat Nov 18 #38

most people aren't paying attention MadameButterfly Nov 18 #60

Voters Avalon Sparks Nov 18 #75

In that case, there was nothing we could have done differently. yardwork Nov 18 #78

Different Avalon Sparks Nov 18 #80

+1 leftstreet Nov 18 #45

Inflation certainly played a role, but in my view a lesser KPN Nov 18 #50

I suspect many people WANT a rude, loud, blathering, large man for President. raging moderate Nov 18 #83

Aside from the Interest Rates or flooding the nation with paper money Dan Nov 18 #59

Yep this article sums up the Democratic Party thumper2547 Nov 18 #66

You have some good points DaddyShark Nov 18 #70

I completely agree with you Jk23 Nov 18 #68

The sane-washing and the both-siderism of most media didn't help either. chowder66 Nov 18 #5

Finally someone pointing to massive disinformation campaign as reason oldmanlynn Nov 18 #6

It wasn't just the right wing propagandists. lees1975 Nov 18 #7

Thank you for this Flatrat Nov 18 #8

I agree with you 100% OnionPatch Nov 19 #107

Probably because there's no "one" reason she lost. BannonsLiver Nov 18 #9

It's going to takes months of research to come up with valid reasons Kaleva Nov 18 #17

Of course there are multiple reasons, but right wing media does what it does, and it works well. Trust_Reality Nov 18 #30

Exactly. The media is part of it Bluetus Nov 18 #39

Blue, I basically agree with every point you bringup. slightlv Nov 18 #96

Depressing how so few understand FDR and his genius Bluetus Nov 18 #97

I like your term "The Great Descent" ! slightlv Nov 20 #109

FDR was polite, but hard-hitting Bluetus Nov 20 #110

Nope. It's still the profound stupidity of a significant percentage flvegan Nov 18 #10

Agree Kaleva Nov 18 #16

Yup....and their racist sexist crap of not voting for a woman...regardless of the pain it will cause PortTack Nov 18 #23

The post-birth abortion bullshit and gender reassignment surgery at schools sealed my agreement with you. Pacifist Patriot Nov 18 #24

They grabbed the excuses because they wanted excuses. yardwork Nov 18 #34

Bingo! PortTack Nov 18 #57

This is true also but the average IQ is 100 - not very high. kerry-is-my-prez Nov 18 #25

Nothing to say except K&R mountain grammy Nov 18 #12

Fox, Joe Rogan, etc put out what people want Kaleva Nov 18 #13

Bingo. I have quoted Terry Pratchett a number of times. love_katz Nov 18 #62

I 100% agree. Kaleva Nov 18 #69

It was a bad idea for Dems to go after Rogan womanofthehills Nov 18 #93

An Interesting perspective! Kaleva Nov 18 #99

ostrich head in sand analysis. WarGamer Nov 18 #14

And I will continue to disagree every time. yardwork Nov 18 #36

I agree with you BUT we have to deal with what we've got... WarGamer Nov 18 #42

Agreed. How do we compete? yardwork Nov 18 #44

What did Obama do? WarGamer Nov 18 #47

I hope you're right. A lot has changed in 10 years, though. yardwork Nov 18 #67

Most of the media Katcat Nov 18 #15

I fully agree.. Escape Nov 18 #18

People live for conspiracy theories. kerry-is-my-prez Nov 18 #26

Most of the voters know exactly who and what Trump is. Irish_Dem Nov 18 #19

I've been saying this since the day after the election. The right wing media's lies, disinformation, and misinformation Martin68 Nov 18 #20

Precisely. It's an epidemic. Mr. Mustard 2023 Nov 18 #21

Bingo Sugarcoated Nov 18 #22

Media is a lesser portion - Nigrum Cattus Nov 18 #27

Agreed, and the MSM, Cable, press etc. are/were complicit as they didn't clearly... brush Nov 18 #29

This take is dated. The difference maker was social media manipulation JCMach1 Nov 18 #35

Dems will never truly win as long as the reich-wing noise machine exists hurple Nov 18 #40

Yep -- THIS is the BIGGEST REASON Martin Eden Nov 18 #43

Well, poor messaging has been screamed since 2015 to no avail. NT. SayItLoud Nov 18 #46

MAGA has a better amplification network and they spent 20 years developing it, it doesn't matter if Trump wears a narrow uponit7771 Nov 18 #52

Trump didn't win. Harris lost leftstreet Nov 18 #48

No doubt Tweedy Nov 18 #51

Exactly! Tesha Nov 18 #53

Just nowforever Nov 18 #54

All for the money Quanto Magnus Nov 18 #56

There's also an unspoken war on education. SleeplessinSoCal Nov 18 #58

Look at that crazy psycho fuckhead in Oklahoma. Initech Nov 18 #73

I'm afraid we're not up to the fight needed against the SleeplessinSoCal Nov 18 #84

We'd better. The fate of the world is at stake. Initech Nov 18 #89

I'm old enough to remember when Karl Rove said. "We create our own reality." But I'm not sure our path should include,, surfered Nov 18 #61

Democracy Drowns in Disinformation IronLionZion Nov 18 #64

We need our own media ecosystem, and we need to *support* it. Until then... keep_left Nov 18 #65

Left talk radio / alternative media won't work because Democrats don't believe there is a grand conspiracy to hide the.. Fish700 Nov 18 #77

It has worked, and continues to work at MSNBC, Mike Malloy, Democracy Now, KTNF in MN, etc. keep_left Nov 18 #79

To get people to fucking listen, will need to be entertaining FIRST. Few will tune in to hear someone read the newspaper SoFlaBro Nov 18 #98

Well, Air America had some pretty entertaining shows, but they went bankrupt anyway. keep_left Nov 19 #105

Fuckstain Rush Limpdong was on multiple AM stations in the same fucking market with a couple hundred listeners. SoFlaBro Nov 19 #106

Yep. Ask Randi Rhodes. Her #1 show was cancelled by the network for Limbaugh's. keep_left Nov 19 #108

Yeah we just need to start telling the truth. Initech Nov 18 #90

The working class is not the same as the working poor. One of those is never talked about. Autumn Nov 18 #71

Important. elleng Nov 18 #92

The real answer: IT WAS SPITE. And malice. Initech Nov 18 #72

Economy Avalon Sparks Nov 18 #74

It's everything discussed here, and more LilElf70 Nov 18 #76

Nexus: a book to recommend Godot51 Nov 18 #81

yup krkaufman Nov 18 #82

ALSO roomtomove Nov 18 #85

Yes, conservative control of news and successful voter suppression. Voter suppression isn't mentioned in the, why ShazamIam Nov 18 #86

Exactly. Rs weren't brainwashed in a vacuum, it was years of Fox and rw media pounding propaganda into their heads. Pepsidog Nov 18 #88

by Michael John Tomasky elleng Nov 18 #91

We understand. Dem leadership does not. GregGilman Nov 19 #100

Yes. And the task escalated from defeating a candidate to defeating Russian, Chinese, Iranian and far right disinfo mahina Nov 19 #101

Propaganda works. Propaganda applied intensely REALLY works. SupportSanity Nov 19 #103

The question would then be: why do so many Americans choose to consume crappy right wing media? muriel_volestrangler Nov 20 #111