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In reply to the discussion: I was just informed from my boss and HR that my entire profession is being automated away. [View all]Tadpole Raisin
(1,889 posts)31. It's one thing to replace the horse and buggy - re: the quantity and the time it took to do it,
        it’s another to do this with the quantity of people in jobs AI can replace and the rapidity with which it can be accomplished. 
This could (?will) collapse the economy. Rich CEOs are only looking at this by how much more profit they will make in the modern day world of Ebenezer Scrooge and TSF is Scrooge. 
In fairness Congress has been warned about this for years and of course has done nothing. 
IF, IF there is one good thing about Dems losing, this is likely going to explode on TSF’s, made worse by his known plans. 
But oh my god the suffering!!
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                        I was just informed from my boss and HR that my entire profession is being automated away. [View all]
							usonian
							Nov 2024
							OP
                        
        
        with ai fake music wont need real musicians and songwriters anymore. no royalty payout for spotify  nt
        msongs
        Nov 2024
        #1
      
        
        The other day, someone here was arguing that "AI will replace as many jobs as it takes away."
        PeaceWave
        Nov 2024
        #3
      
        
        Historically the 2 biggest costs for employers were the costs associated
        Tadpole Raisin
        Nov 2024
        #37
      
        
        Of course, have yet to hear who will buy the products & services companies offer . . . ..
        hatrack
        Nov 2024
        #40
      
        
        And this in the age of high inflation, ever more expensive rent, and an incoming fascist regime...
        DSandra
        Nov 2024
        #9
      
        
        There's evidence Spotify's already starting to do that.  Ted Gioia has written about it, and he and
        highplainsdem
        Nov 2024
        #4
      
        
        It's that good ONLY because companies like Udio and Suno stole all the music they could and are
        highplainsdem
        Nov 2024
        #19
      
        
        I think it's three books a day uploaded to Kindle, or it was the last I heard, but of course that still
        highplainsdem
        Nov 2024
        #85
      
        
        Unions can only fight things with the threat of strikes messing up the business...
        regnaD kciN
        Nov 2024
        #26
      
        
        Yes, that's a good point. Firing all at once with no warning is a low blow.
        Silver Gaia
        Nov 2024
        #32
      
        
        I may be off a little but my understanding is only about 6% are unionized.
        TheKentuckian
        Nov 2024
        #39
      
        
        Just more reason to hope for the aliens to stop screwing around and finish us off already.
        PeaceWave
        Nov 2024
        #8
      
        
        Some times it's so bs backwards I feel like I'm in a science experiment
        questionseverything
        Nov 2024
        #12
      
        
        This is where capitalism needs to be reigned in. Ideally, as we are replaced by AI and machines, we should work fewer
        Doodley
        Nov 2024
        #10
      
        
        Thanks for posting this, usonian!  I skimmed some of those replies.  Very different tone from what
        highplainsdem
        Nov 2024
        #11
      
        
        There's already plenty of evidence that genAI has plateaued and will never reach the AGI/ASI level
        highplainsdem
        Nov 2024
        #66
      
        
        "Watched over by machines of loving grace" ? Dang, I forgot which SF author said that and whether it's a preface quote..
        electric_blue68
        Nov 2024
        #122
      
        
        Well, it depends on whether you view Brautigan's poem as naively utopian, which seems to be
        highplainsdem
        Nov 2024
        #134
      
        
        I think there are definite benefits in science and medicine to some types of AI analyzing vast amounts
        highplainsdem
        Nov 2024
        #67
      
        
        Someone else said that AI was supposed to clean the house & do the dishes . . .
        hatrack
        Nov 2024
        #42
      
        
        Exactly.  I remember hearing about a conference for AI scientists where someone (from OpenAI, IIRC)
        highplainsdem
        Nov 2024
        #68
      
        
        I dread the prospect of "Apple AI" streamlining the most trivial of digital chores,
        usonian
        Nov 2024
        #82
      
        
        Those of us who write and self publish are already seeing things get bad with "AI".
        mucholderthandirt
        Nov 2024
        #44
      
        
        I'm all in favor of tech that helps writers, and there have been many such changes. A writer Stephen King's age
        highplainsdem
        Nov 2024
        #70
      
        
        TY for this abbreviated history, current happenings involving the physical actions of writers writing, editors, etc...
        electric_blue68
        Nov 2024
        #123
      
        
        I've encountered AI fans who think text generators should be viewed as just one more tool for
        highplainsdem
        Nov 2024
        #131
      
        
        I guess u better start making charcoal so you can ground your own ink...
        electric_blue68
        Nov 2024
        #133
      
        
        So your writing circle created fan fiction?  I've heard of pros getting started that way.  And your art
        highplainsdem
        Nov 2024
        #135
      
        
        Ty. I didn't know about the 19th+ century books. Interesting! I found it in '86 at a Philly SF Con...
        electric_blue68
        Nov 2024
        #159
      
        
        Of course.  The AI companies released AI tools they knew would be used for cheating and fraud because
        highplainsdem
        Nov 2024
        #72
      
        
        There's some indication it will get worse, in what's called model collapse.  Some people, mostly at AI companies,
        highplainsdem
        Nov 2024
        #79
      
        
        Just found out via The Verge that Microsoft is the company planning to train AI on HarperCollins books:
        highplainsdem
        Nov 2024
        #111
      
        
        Again, this is all based on theft of IP.  You don't even need to enter lyrics.  Just a few words to suggest lyrics.
        highplainsdem
        Nov 2024
        #27
      
        
        Nothing is entirely original. We learn from others who came before us, that's how humanity works.
        mucholderthandirt
        Nov 2024
        #45
      
        
        No, AI isn't making anything new, and it doesn't learn the same way as people.  What it produces
        highplainsdem
        Nov 2024
        #52
      
        
        Yes, it will churn stuff out instantaneously.  It's still unethical to use.  I don't find those paragraphs
        highplainsdem
        Nov 2024
        #150
      
        
        Please don't expect anything resembling truth from chatbots.  They're mindless mimicry of reasoning
        highplainsdem
        Nov 2024
        #149
      
        
        I'm sure that candle makers felt the same way about gas and electric lighting and I'm sure the coal miners are currently
        cstanleytech
        Nov 2024
        #73
      
        
        That's because the candle makers adapted to the situation just as people can adapt to the existence of AI.
        cstanleytech
        Nov 2024
        #116
      
        
        AI is like a toddler watching an older kid playing with building blocks that tries to mimic what it saw.
        cstanleytech
        Nov 2024
        #130
      
        
        An AI grows much like a human in that they absorb knowledge and learn from but the AI is just faster at it.
        cstanleytech
        Nov 2024
        #75
      
        
        Yes, and we wouldn't have microplastics on top of Everest or in fetal bloodstreams
        hatrack
        Nov 2024
        #74
      
        
        I never said change was perfect but nonetheless things do change no matter how much we might not like it.
        cstanleytech
        Nov 2024
        #93
      
        
        Not the point - this is not inevitable, like the procession of the equinoxes or aging . . . .
        hatrack
        Nov 2024
        #117
      
        
        And it was a choice of the wealthy to support the change to electricity which most did to stay wealthy.
        cstanleytech
        Nov 2024
        #119
      
        
        It's one thing to replace the horse and buggy - re: the quantity and the time it took to do it,
        Tadpole Raisin
        Nov 2024
        #31
      
        
        There are a lot of jobs at risk through computer automation, I know - I implement the systems
        Amishman
        Nov 2024
        #41
      
        
        The safest place to be is anywhere there are no hard rules and/or lots of on-offs and exceptions
        Amishman
        Nov 2024
        #81
      
        
        They're aluminum printing plates that work like the ones you make on a plate frame
        jmowreader
        Nov 2024
        #125
      
        
        I'm back. Looked up some stuff... wow, you got thrown into the deep end of the pool!...
        electric_blue68
        Nov 2024
        #137
      
        
        I *did* paste ups, and mechanicals 76 - mid '80, some graphic design, and illustration. Then off & on; *rare* ...
        electric_blue68
        Nov 2024
        #126
      
        
        I still say that old.reddit is a legit site.  When I go there I'm automatically logged in just...
        LAS14
        Nov 2024
        #112
      
        
        I hope they do.  I'm looking forward to the genAI bubble bursting, and the sooner the better.
        highplainsdem
        Nov 2024
        #151
      
        
        AI has exhausted all the training data of the entire planet and is now feeding on its own output.
        usonian
        Nov 2024
        #110
      
        
        who needs local news?  they didn't do their jobs, people are dumb  it's over
        Nimble_Idea
        Nov 2024
        #143