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86. There haven't been "jobs in paste up" for decades

Tue Nov 19, 2024, 12:50 PM

Nov 19

In the 1980s companies like Aldus, Quark and Ventura created programs that allow you to build a complete print-ready document on a computer, and the old "run out galleys off your phototypesetter and paste them to a layout board" publication model died. And now that everyone outputs plates rather than outputting film and stripping it into flats to burn on a plate frame you can't even use it as a backup workflow.

My sister's first job was doing that. She ran Compugraphic phototypesetters, and she had two machines - one for headlines, one for galley text. Strangely enough, the newspaper she was doing it for still owns both machines. It would cost more to have them scrapped than to just let them sit in the back room. The thing she hated most was setting legals: the galley machine doesn't have a numeric keypad so the thousands of numbers in a legal had to be entered from the top row of the keyboard.

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I was just informed from my boss and HR that my entire profession is being automated away. [View all] usonian Nov 19 OP

with ai fake music wont need real musicians and songwriters anymore. no royalty payout for spotify nt msongs Nov 19 #1

They just don't get it! kevinore Nov 19 #2

The other day, someone here was arguing that "AI will replace as many jobs as it takes away." PeaceWave Nov 19 #3

I remember that and they're full of shit soandso Nov 19 #14

Good point. Plumbers, electricians and other trades are in high demand. jimfields33 Nov 20 #152

Pretty Silly ProfessorGAC Nov 20 #154

If they want to keep their lifestyle the same they will. jimfields33 Nov 20 #155

Yup soandso Nov 20 #158

I think we're seeing only the low-hanging fruit being picked. usonian Nov 19 #21

Historically the 2 biggest costs for employers were the costs associated Tadpole Raisin Nov 19 #37

Of course, have yet to hear who will buy the products & services companies offer . . . .. hatrack Nov 19 #40

95. DON'T CLICK ON THIS LINK. VIRUS POTENTIAL. See posts 88, 90 & 91 Native Nov 19 #96

And this in the age of high inflation, ever more expensive rent, and an incoming fascist regime... DSandra Nov 19 #9

Oh they're not thinking that far down the line. calimary Nov 19 #28

Deportation Delphinus Nov 19 #106

That is the right question Cirsium Nov 19 #114

There's evidence Spotify's already starting to do that. Ted Gioia has written about it, and he and highplainsdem Nov 19 #4

I listen to Beato quite a bit soandso Nov 19 #15

It's that good ONLY because companies like Udio and Suno stole all the music they could and are highplainsdem Nov 19 #19

Thanks and I'll read it soandso Nov 19 #25

The destruction of culture- FalloutShelter Nov 19 #57

I think it's three books a day uploaded to Kindle, or it was the last I heard, but of course that still highplainsdem Nov 19 #85

You are right... just checked and they have stepped it back to three. FalloutShelter Nov 19 #94

This: Delphinus Nov 19 #107

If a novel is created by AI Mossfern Nov 19 #120

Movie theaters used to employ musicians to play during silent movies Jose Garcia Nov 19 #89

DON'T CLICK ON THIS LINK. VIRUS POTENTIAL. See posts 88, 90 & 91 Native Nov 19 #95

This is exactly what I have been saying would happen. Silver Gaia Nov 19 #5

Unions can only fight things with the threat of strikes messing up the business... regnaD kciN Nov 19 #26

Yes, that's a good point. Firing all at once with no warning is a low blow. Silver Gaia Nov 19 #32

You are right, but in the wrong way.... getagrip_already Nov 19 #50

I may be off a little but my understanding is only about 6% are unionized. TheKentuckian Nov 19 #39

That was sort of my point... Silver Gaia Nov 19 #48

People have to JOIN unions Ursus Rex Nov 19 #71

The other aspect of this is Otto_Harper Nov 19 #6

That is the real danger. Orwell was off by a few decades wnylib Nov 19 #23

They can try, but will lose audience Steven Maurer Nov 19 #7

Just more reason to hope for the aliens to stop screwing around and finish us off already. PeaceWave Nov 19 #8

Some times it's so bs backwards I feel like I'm in a science experiment questionseverything Nov 19 #12

Lots of people believe we're in a simulation soandso Nov 19 #20

I'm still waiting for the asteroid.... n/t slightlv Nov 19 #13

Huh? If aliens had our termination in mind misanthrope Nov 19 #18

Aliens, killer asteroid, it's all good. Xavier Breath Nov 19 #78

This is where capitalism needs to be reigned in. Ideally, as we are replaced by AI and machines, we should work fewer Doodley Nov 19 #10

Thanks for posting this, usonian! I skimmed some of those replies. Very different tone from what highplainsdem Nov 19 #11

Wow! Capitalist's Ayn Rand dream. usonian Nov 19 #24

There's already plenty of evidence that genAI has plateaued and will never reach the AGI/ASI level highplainsdem Nov 19 #66

"Watched over by machines of loving grace" ? Dang, I forgot which SF author said that and whether it's a preface quote.. electric_blue68 Nov 19 #122

Oh, what an innocent time that was... highplainsdem Nov 19 #129

Definitely Not. 😔 electric_blue68 Nov 19 #132

Well, it depends on whether you view Brautigan's poem as naively utopian, which seems to be highplainsdem Nov 19 #134

I so agree with everything you said. Silver Gaia Nov 19 #34

I think there are definite benefits in science and medicine to some types of AI analyzing vast amounts highplainsdem Nov 19 #67

Someone else said that AI was supposed to clean the house & do the dishes . . . hatrack Nov 19 #42

Exactly. I remember hearing about a conference for AI scientists where someone (from OpenAI, IIRC) highplainsdem Nov 19 #68

I dread the prospect of "Apple AI" streamlining the most trivial of digital chores, usonian Nov 19 #82

Those of us who write and self publish are already seeing things get bad with "AI". mucholderthandirt Nov 19 #44

I'm all in favor of tech that helps writers, and there have been many such changes. A writer Stephen King's age highplainsdem Nov 19 #70

TY for this abbreviated history, current happenings involving the physical actions of writers writing, editors, etc... electric_blue68 Nov 19 #123

I've encountered AI fans who think text generators should be viewed as just one more tool for highplainsdem Nov 19 #131

I guess u better start making charcoal so you can ground your own ink... electric_blue68 Nov 19 #133

So your writing circle created fan fiction? I've heard of pros getting started that way. And your art highplainsdem Nov 19 #135

Ah, you've heard the term! It's sort of nichey... electric_blue68 Nov 19 #136

It's been around for a long time: highplainsdem Nov 20 #148

Ty. I didn't know about the 19th+ century books. Interesting! I found it in '86 at a Philly SF Con... electric_blue68 Nov 20 #159

It's terrible. And trade publishing is now going full on AI pinkstarburst Nov 20 #142

And companies that use AI after firing workers will fight Tadpole Raisin Nov 19 #46

Of course. The AI companies released AI tools they knew would be used for cheating and fraud because highplainsdem Nov 19 #72

At some point there won't be any more human content for AI to feed on Ocelot II Nov 19 #59

There's some indication it will get worse, in what's called model collapse. Some people, mostly at AI companies, highplainsdem Nov 19 #79

Just found out via The Verge that Microsoft is the company planning to train AI on HarperCollins books: highplainsdem Nov 19 #111

Ugh, shame on you Harper Collins! Here's to Human Creatives!... electric_blue68 Nov 19 #121

In many SciFi series, there is usually one episode (or more) slightlv Nov 19 #16

"First you use machines, then you wear machines, then you serve machines." hatrack Nov 19 #43

I got laid off when I was an HR Consultant.its sort of a "pluff" job kerry-is-my-prez Nov 19 #17

Located this video I'd watched soandso Nov 19 #22

Again, this is all based on theft of IP. You don't even need to enter lyrics. Just a few words to suggest lyrics. highplainsdem Nov 19 #27

I'll watch those soandso Nov 19 #30

Nothing is entirely original. We learn from others who came before us, that's how humanity works. mucholderthandirt Nov 19 #45

No, AI isn't making anything new, and it doesn't learn the same way as people. What it produces highplainsdem Nov 19 #52

You and I think so alike on this. Silver Gaia Nov 19 #60

I don't disagree about the harm to human beings soandso Nov 19 #115

Check it out soandso Nov 20 #139

So, I obliged with a request soandso Nov 20 #140

Yes, it will churn stuff out instantaneously. It's still unethical to use. I don't find those paragraphs highplainsdem Nov 20 #150

You're missing my point soandso Nov 20 #157

Please don't expect anything resembling truth from chatbots. They're mindless mimicry of reasoning highplainsdem Nov 20 #149

Yeah, I realize that soandso Nov 20 #156

What I find especially discouraging soandso Nov 20 #138

Change is never welcome but without it we would still be living in caves. cstanleytech Nov 19 #29

Not all change is a benefit Mossfern Nov 19 #55

I'm sure that candle makers felt the same way about gas and electric lighting and I'm sure the coal miners are currently cstanleytech Nov 19 #73

I don't think those are analogis Mossfern Nov 19 #98

That's because the candle makers adapted to the situation just as people can adapt to the existence of AI. cstanleytech Nov 19 #116

Candle makers still make candles Mossfern Nov 19 #118

AI is different from other revolutions - it's largey based upon theft radius777 Nov 19 #128

AI is like a toddler watching an older kid playing with building blocks that tries to mimic what it saw. cstanleytech Nov 19 #130

That has been a go-to come back for any criticism of ai. bluesbassman Nov 19 #56

An AI grows much like a human in that they absorb knowledge and learn from but the AI is just faster at it. cstanleytech Nov 19 #75

Yes, and we wouldn't have microplastics on top of Everest or in fetal bloodstreams hatrack Nov 19 #74

I never said change was perfect but nonetheless things do change no matter how much we might not like it. cstanleytech Nov 19 #93

Not the point - this is not inevitable, like the procession of the equinoxes or aging . . . . hatrack Nov 19 #117

And it was a choice of the wealthy to support the change to electricity which most did to stay wealthy. cstanleytech Nov 19 #119

It's one thing to replace the horse and buggy - re: the quantity and the time it took to do it, Tadpole Raisin Nov 19 #31

Take away enough jobs and who is going to buy the crap they sell? Silver Gaia Nov 19 #33

Many many companies have already abandoned the masses... DSandra Nov 19 #35

You're right! What did Henry Ford say when business men decried him Tadpole Raisin Nov 19 #36

General Motors have been doing that since the early 70s. They eliminated Emile Nov 19 #38

There are a lot of jobs at risk through computer automation, I know - I implement the systems Amishman Nov 19 #41

People need to have their eyes open Johnny2X2X Nov 19 #64

The safest place to be is anywhere there are no hard rules and/or lots of on-offs and exceptions Amishman Nov 19 #81

AI is cancer Blue_Tires Nov 19 #47

Journalism is essential for democracy. Kid Berwyn Nov 19 #49

The Luddites were right! Mossfern Nov 19 #51

We need a universal basic income area51 Nov 19 #53

Mass incaceration John Shaft Nov 19 #65

My sister has been an insurance adjuster for a LONG time. LucasD Nov 19 #54

My mom worked in radio. hunter Nov 19 #58

I knew this was coming XanaDUer2 Nov 19 #61

I'm glad I retired from the business when I did. Liberal In Texas Nov 19 #62

What local news? John Shaft Nov 19 #63

ChatGPT / AI isn't ready to replace humans in most jobs. Oneironaut Nov 19 #69

What's the big worry? Prairie_Seagull Nov 19 #76

There haven't been "jobs in paste up" for decades jmowreader Nov 19 #86

Very good friend worked for a newspaper in just this job. Prairie_Seagull Nov 19 #90

The best change I remember was going from 13" film to 26" film jmowreader Nov 19 #97

Just for my understanding...these plates, are they... electric_blue68 Nov 19 #124

They're aluminum printing plates that work like the ones you make on a plate frame jmowreader Nov 19 #125

Interesting Will get back to you in a bit 👍 electric_blue68 Nov 19 #127

I'm back. Looked up some stuff... wow, you got thrown into the deep end of the pool!... electric_blue68 Nov 20 #137

I know about Kodalith but never used any jmowreader Nov 20 #141

What was the differece between them? electric_blue68 Nov 20 #144

Different chemicals are used to develop them jmowreader Nov 20 #146

👍 electric_blue68 Nov 20 #147

I *did* paste ups, and mechanicals 76 - mid '80, some graphic design, and illustration. Then off & on; *rare* ... electric_blue68 Nov 19 #126

There may be an upside. LAS14 Nov 19 #77

That's the plot of Vonnegut's first novel, Player Piano, published in 1952. FSogol Nov 19 #80

This seems to come from a group in Reddit dealing with ChatGPT. LAS14 Nov 19 #83

That's the universal worry these days. One has to be cautious usonian Nov 19 #84

That cartoon Delphinus Nov 19 #108

The animation industry's suffering, too Chalco Nov 19 #87

YOU NEED TO CHANGE THE LINK OR DELETE THIS!!!! Native Nov 19 #88

Why do you say that? I followed the link. It seemed legit. nt LAS14 Nov 19 #100

the OP changed it to the new link i provided Native Nov 19 #102

look at the url..it is bad... - old.reddit. that's not reddit Native Nov 19 #91

When I first clicked on it it took me to old Reddit... LAS14 Nov 19 #101

when i clicked on a link to share the thread, that's when things went bad. Native Nov 19 #104

I still say that old.reddit is a legit site. When I go there I'm automatically logged in just... LAS14 Nov 19 #112

here is the correct link Native Nov 19 #92

I work in healthcare and they tried to Luciferous Nov 19 #99

I hope they do. I'm looking forward to the genAI bubble bursting, and the sooner the better. highplainsdem Nov 20 #151

Thanks for the new link at the explanation and the credit to Native. We do... LAS14 Nov 19 #103

When the 11 million immigrants are gone there will be plenty of StarryNite Nov 19 #105

In other words, the rebirth of Pol Pot jmowreader Nov 20 #153

BU just ditched Humanities, Social Sciences for AI Ndp5 Nov 19 #109

AI has exhausted all the training data of the entire planet and is now feeding on its own output. usonian Nov 19 #110

Well, damn it. nt LAS14 Nov 19 #113

who needs local news? they didn't do their jobs, people are dumb it's over Nimble_Idea Nov 20 #143

lol, no o7___o7 Nov 20 #145