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OnionPatch

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107. I agree with you 100%

Tue Nov 19, 2024, 01:52 PM

Nov 19

I'm 65 and have been watching the RW takeover of media my whole adult life, starting with AM radio. Almost all of the RW people I know in my peer group started off listening to that. I hear our side saying no one really listens to it. Maybe no one on our side does, but rural people absolutely do. And this is where we've lost the most voters over the decades. My brother-in-law is a perfect example. He's a surveyor who spends a lot of time in his truck. He listens to that crap every day. Because it's there and it's free. On the other hand, every news story from a reliable source I click on in the last few days takes me to a paywall. Until our side starts addressing this seriously, we're screwed.

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From Substack: Why does No One Understand the Real Reason Trump Won? [View all] kerry-is-my-prez Nov 18 OP

The war on reality lame54 Nov 18 #1

Flooding the news zones with bullshit until even the NYT and WaPo start repeating it. erronis Nov 18 #2

It's bad enough, but the mainstream media we try to rely on pick up what they say and repeats it verbatim Walleye Nov 18 #3

I disagree DaddyShark Nov 18 #4

We in the US are ignoring this fact in our Nationalist Bubble haele Nov 18 #11

THIS! THIS! THIS! THIS! THIS! THIS! InstantGratification Nov 18 #32

People in America didn't see the total at the grocery store and say, jimfields33 Nov 18 #37

Sure - but how did that translate into voting for Trump? yardwork Nov 18 #41

Voters are not always reasonable or logical. jimfields33 Nov 18 #55

Inflation wasn't bad under Trump TheFarseer Nov 18 #87

Inflation took off during Trump's last year. yardwork Nov 18 #94

Inflation in 2020 was low. It was 1.4% In 2021 it was 7.0% EdmondDantes_ Nov 18 #95

inflation poozwah Nov 19 #102

Did people forget how many Americans died of Covid-19 because of T's BS? OMGWTF Nov 19 #104

Trump lost in 2020. That was toward the end of KPN Nov 18 #49

Trump lost in 2020 because he was a dumpster fire, but COVID was still affecting the US through 2022 haele Nov 18 #63

Your last sentence is key. yardwork Nov 18 #28

Multiple Factors Metaphorical Nov 18 #31

Here's my frustration. yardwork Nov 18 #33

Correct Cosmocat Nov 18 #38

most people aren't paying attention MadameButterfly Nov 18 #60

Voters Avalon Sparks Nov 18 #75

In that case, there was nothing we could have done differently. yardwork Nov 18 #78

Different Avalon Sparks Nov 18 #80

+1 leftstreet Nov 18 #45

Inflation certainly played a role, but in my view a lesser KPN Nov 18 #50

I suspect many people WANT a rude, loud, blathering, large man for President. raging moderate Nov 18 #83

Aside from the Interest Rates or flooding the nation with paper money Dan Nov 18 #59

Yep this article sums up the Democratic Party thumper2547 Nov 18 #66

You have some good points DaddyShark Nov 18 #70

I completely agree with you Jk23 Nov 18 #68

The sane-washing and the both-siderism of most media didn't help either. chowder66 Nov 18 #5

Finally someone pointing to massive disinformation campaign as reason oldmanlynn Nov 18 #6

It wasn't just the right wing propagandists. lees1975 Nov 18 #7

Thank you for this Flatrat Nov 18 #8

I agree with you 100% OnionPatch Nov 19 #107

Probably because there's no "one" reason she lost. BannonsLiver Nov 18 #9

It's going to takes months of research to come up with valid reasons Kaleva Nov 18 #17

Of course there are multiple reasons, but right wing media does what it does, and it works well. Trust_Reality Nov 18 #30

Exactly. The media is part of it Bluetus Nov 18 #39

Blue, I basically agree with every point you bringup. slightlv Nov 18 #96

Depressing how so few understand FDR and his genius Bluetus Nov 18 #97

I like your term "The Great Descent" ! slightlv Nov 20 #109

FDR was polite, but hard-hitting Bluetus Nov 20 #110

Nope. It's still the profound stupidity of a significant percentage flvegan Nov 18 #10

Agree Kaleva Nov 18 #16

Yup....and their racist sexist crap of not voting for a woman...regardless of the pain it will cause PortTack Nov 18 #23

The post-birth abortion bullshit and gender reassignment surgery at schools sealed my agreement with you. Pacifist Patriot Nov 18 #24

They grabbed the excuses because they wanted excuses. yardwork Nov 18 #34

Bingo! PortTack Nov 18 #57

This is true also but the average IQ is 100 - not very high. kerry-is-my-prez Nov 18 #25

Nothing to say except K&R mountain grammy Nov 18 #12

Fox, Joe Rogan, etc put out what people want Kaleva Nov 18 #13

Bingo. I have quoted Terry Pratchett a number of times. love_katz Nov 18 #62

I 100% agree. Kaleva Nov 18 #69

It was a bad idea for Dems to go after Rogan womanofthehills Nov 18 #93

An Interesting perspective! Kaleva Nov 18 #99

ostrich head in sand analysis. WarGamer Nov 18 #14

And I will continue to disagree every time. yardwork Nov 18 #36

I agree with you BUT we have to deal with what we've got... WarGamer Nov 18 #42

Agreed. How do we compete? yardwork Nov 18 #44

What did Obama do? WarGamer Nov 18 #47

I hope you're right. A lot has changed in 10 years, though. yardwork Nov 18 #67

Most of the media Katcat Nov 18 #15

I fully agree.. Escape Nov 18 #18

People live for conspiracy theories. kerry-is-my-prez Nov 18 #26

Most of the voters know exactly who and what Trump is. Irish_Dem Nov 18 #19

I've been saying this since the day after the election. The right wing media's lies, disinformation, and misinformation Martin68 Nov 18 #20

Precisely. It's an epidemic. Mr. Mustard 2023 Nov 18 #21

Bingo Sugarcoated Nov 18 #22

Media is a lesser portion - Nigrum Cattus Nov 18 #27

Agreed, and the MSM, Cable, press etc. are/were complicit as they didn't clearly... brush Nov 18 #29

This take is dated. The difference maker was social media manipulation JCMach1 Nov 18 #35

Dems will never truly win as long as the reich-wing noise machine exists hurple Nov 18 #40

Yep -- THIS is the BIGGEST REASON Martin Eden Nov 18 #43

Well, poor messaging has been screamed since 2015 to no avail. NT. SayItLoud Nov 18 #46

MAGA has a better amplification network and they spent 20 years developing it, it doesn't matter if Trump wears a narrow uponit7771 Nov 18 #52

Trump didn't win. Harris lost leftstreet Nov 18 #48

No doubt Tweedy Nov 18 #51

Exactly! Tesha Nov 18 #53

Just nowforever Nov 18 #54

All for the money Quanto Magnus Nov 18 #56

There's also an unspoken war on education. SleeplessinSoCal Nov 18 #58

Look at that crazy psycho fuckhead in Oklahoma. Initech Nov 18 #73

I'm afraid we're not up to the fight needed against the SleeplessinSoCal Nov 18 #84

We'd better. The fate of the world is at stake. Initech Nov 18 #89

I'm old enough to remember when Karl Rove said. "We create our own reality." But I'm not sure our path should include,, surfered Nov 18 #61

Democracy Drowns in Disinformation IronLionZion Nov 18 #64

We need our own media ecosystem, and we need to *support* it. Until then... keep_left Nov 18 #65

Left talk radio / alternative media won't work because Democrats don't believe there is a grand conspiracy to hide the.. Fish700 Nov 18 #77

It has worked, and continues to work at MSNBC, Mike Malloy, Democracy Now, KTNF in MN, etc. keep_left Nov 18 #79

To get people to fucking listen, will need to be entertaining FIRST. Few will tune in to hear someone read the newspaper SoFlaBro Nov 18 #98

Well, Air America had some pretty entertaining shows, but they went bankrupt anyway. keep_left Nov 19 #105

Fuckstain Rush Limpdong was on multiple AM stations in the same fucking market with a couple hundred listeners. SoFlaBro Nov 19 #106

Yep. Ask Randi Rhodes. Her #1 show was cancelled by the network for Limbaugh's. keep_left Nov 19 #108

Yeah we just need to start telling the truth. Initech Nov 18 #90

The working class is not the same as the working poor. One of those is never talked about. Autumn Nov 18 #71

Important. elleng Nov 18 #92

The real answer: IT WAS SPITE. And malice. Initech Nov 18 #72

Economy Avalon Sparks Nov 18 #74

It's everything discussed here, and more LilElf70 Nov 18 #76

Nexus: a book to recommend Godot51 Nov 18 #81

yup krkaufman Nov 18 #82

ALSO roomtomove Nov 18 #85

Yes, conservative control of news and successful voter suppression. Voter suppression isn't mentioned in the, why ShazamIam Nov 18 #86

Exactly. Rs weren't brainwashed in a vacuum, it was years of Fox and rw media pounding propaganda into their heads. Pepsidog Nov 18 #88

by Michael John Tomasky elleng Nov 18 #91

We understand. Dem leadership does not. GregGilman Nov 19 #100

Yes. And the task escalated from defeating a candidate to defeating Russian, Chinese, Iranian and far right disinfo mahina Nov 19 #101

Propaganda works. Propaganda applied intensely REALLY works. SupportSanity Nov 19 #103

The question would then be: why do so many Americans choose to consume crappy right wing media? muriel_volestrangler Nov 20 #111