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TomWilm

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260. I am quoting the DU guide lines, as you might be aware ...

Tue Nov 19, 2024, 02:53 PM

Tuesday

... and yes, the votes better not be tampered with.

I did a lot of counting and research of the election system in the past, and that made me quite relaxed about it in the end.

I trust the counting of the votes, and I trust the reporting and collection and the result even!

These elections are rotten to the core - though not the counting process, but EVERYTHING else about them.

- The billionaires right to buy all the ads.
- The billions wasted to get people out to vote.
- The defective two party monopoly and internal echo chambers.
- The missing research and press coverage, since media is controlled ...
... please keep this list growing, and focus on some of THOSE problems.

The counting of votes is the very least problem, and for me it looks like the ONLY part that is actually working. So for my view is such a limited focus a waste of time - and yes, fully based on "extreme-fringe conspiracy theories" in very small circles..............

But thanks for your reply!

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Rigged? Computer Security Experts Urge Harris To Demand Hand Recount [View all] ScubaSteve Saturday OP

I'm totally in on the Hand Jive Recount thingy. Count them up. BoRaGard Saturday #1

He will be on the Thomm Hartman program Monday Ferryboat Saturday #62

I saw this posted on Bluesky, but can't confirm. Do you have anything? Native Saturday #128

On Friday markodochartaigh Sunday #247

Thanks! Native Sunday #248

I've been saying from Nov. 6 that no way trump won every swing state.... brush Saturday #191

Didn't she say... XarmyGal Saturday #166

I don't recall her ever pledging to chase around conspiracy theories to placate election deniers? tritsofme Saturday #171

Worried? OhioBack2Blue Saturday #187

lol tritsofme Saturday #190

well why not? azureblue Saturday #216

Spoonamore's onto something. sop Saturday #2

What About These Subject Matter Experts to Endorse a Hand Recount? MrWowWow Saturday #64

Especially if Starlink was involved. colorado_ufo Saturday #215

It should be done. Liberal In Texas Saturday #3

EXACTLY! Lunabell Saturday #4

Greg Palast thinks that almost 3 million provisional ballots were dumped. TheRickles Saturday #5

Since Trump won by 2,705,700 more popular votes, a provisional ballot challenge might work. ancianita Saturday #37

Still counting OhioBack2Blue Saturday #189

I'm aware. We have until Dec 11. Thing is, when will count challenges be filed in courts? ancianita Saturday #201

Duh! malaise Saturday #6

NC dweller Saturday #7

Yeah, that is kind of suspicious. Think. Again. Saturday #32

How many votes did Biden get there? Surely it wasn't 356,844 - 0. TheRickles Saturday #48

It's an elementary school level of cheating. Evidence it and jail everyone who touched the illegitimate ballots. jaxexpat Saturday #68

If proven, might be ironically uncomfortable for VP Harris to certify trump lostnfound Saturday #77

If there is proof of enough ballot fraud the electors "faithfulness" will be a point of great focus. jaxexpat Saturday #96

He will be osteopath6 Saturday #109

All that cry baby has done his entire life is lie & cheat at everything. KS Toronado Saturday #142

BS Doodley Saturday #155

I respectfully disagree. RandomNumbers Saturday #158

Innocent question... waltzy Saturday #219

Why do you ask? Welcome to DU GP6971 Saturday #220

Answers RandomNumbers Sunday #246

No one gets to pin the legitimization of "election denial" on the Democrats when... Karasu Saturday #164

Counterpoint ... krkaufman Saturday #210

WHAT !!! HUAJIAO Saturday #79

See my post dweller Saturday #88

Yes. This is really suspicious here in NC ms liberty Saturday #144

Compared to other state-wide races, Trump got the 4th most votes for a Republican muriel_volestrangler Saturday #211

Quite possible HarryM Sunday #225

But she conceded Patton French Saturday #8

This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Saturday #21

Yes, and it's up to The People to find the evidence of fraud. ancianita Saturday #39

Elections are not decided because a candidate concedes or whopis01 Saturday #44

This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Saturday #51

Concessions are not binding if there is fraud. OMGWTF Saturday #129

It doesn't matter as she would've conceeded on the basis that she had in fact lost and that the votes were legitimate Galraedia Saturday #198

That really is suspicious, but since she conceded so quickly I'm sure we're screwed. Vinca Saturday #9

Does the consession prevent a recount? MadameButterfly Saturday #13

This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Saturday #22

+1 ancianita Saturday #40

I would hope not, but I'm not optimistic. It's all moved into "kumbaya" mode from what I can gather. Vinca Saturday #107

No concession don't prevent a recount standingtall Saturday #147

Haven't there bern past elections.. Think. Again. Saturday #34

Gore rescinded his against Bush Blue_Roses Sunday #237

I thought so... Think. Again. Sunday #240

I'm sure all of this Blue_Roses Sunday #241

I can't access the article at Daily Kos Kaleva Saturday #10

I can't either. I went directly to DK and could find nothing. Maggiemayhem Saturday #17

I couldn't access it either MadameButterfly Saturday #19

This is odd dss Saturday #127

Yeah, getting a giant Access Denied (403) warning Babajida Saturday #160

No one can - DK took it down. soldierant Saturday #170

Brad blog interviewed the guy today on his radio show questionseverything Saturday #182

Is this the story you are looking for? Typewitch Sunday #224

Thanks! Apparently Daily Kos zapped the article Kaleva Sunday #239

I Concur On The Recount. GB_RN Saturday #11

Yes, despite Democratic voters wanting to fight... polichick Saturday #15

This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Saturday #24

Post removed Post removed Saturday #49

I can't tell you Mr. Evil Saturday #86

Really? Tweedy Saturday #145

They sent the votes to Tennessee in 2004 Beck23 Saturday #63

Yep, SmarTech, who was working for the Bush campaign... CaptainTruth Saturday #73

Who cares if she conceded, the entire planet is at stake... polichick Saturday #12

This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Saturday #27

Concession is NOT legally binding...Reread what happened during the Bush v Gore. Al Gore conceded & then The_REAL_Ecumenist Saturday #45

We are going to get this right osteopath6 Saturday #115

There are no more real elections after a dictator takes over - just shows. polichick Saturday #139

That is the serious concern here Babajida Saturday #163

Is there something we can do to make this happen MadameButterfly Saturday #14

Yes! Please start a thread with this. We can post when we've made the call. polichick Saturday #16

I need to get access to this article before I do anything so I know what I'm talking about MadameButterfly Saturday #20

Get access denied here too - but I read this or another letter from... polichick Saturday #23

It says the info came from X Loupe Garoue Saturday #47

Brad blog has a great article about all these concerns and interviews one election specialist questionseverything Saturday #183

This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Saturday #29

That's so true! It feels like an agreement was made... polichick Saturday #33

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Elias is on Bluesky posting about how Dems are going to fight policies... polichick Saturday #65

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Elias is saying there was no fraud johnnyfins Saturday #81

This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Saturday #106

I believe our best bet is to be as loud as possible... Think. Again. Saturday #36

Why would contacting those people make them believe in baseless conspiracy theories like this? tritsofme Saturday #159

Access denied wildflowergardener Saturday #18

I don't want to sound too conspiratorial here MadameButterfly Saturday #26

I think Daily Kos just wants people to sign in. polichick Saturday #28

This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Saturday #30

How can I get access to that MadameButterfly Saturday #35

Here is the OP about the "letter"... Think. Again. Saturday #38

This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Saturday #52

Might be taken down for a good reason creeksneakers2 Saturday #151

I wish they would do recounts. 2naSalit Saturday #25

This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Saturday #31

NC has paper ballots Abnredleg Saturday #41

Try this Link MrWowWow Saturday #42

I found the Duty to Warn letter on Substack, and I copied it in full in a subsequent post here Native Saturday #50

This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Saturday #61

Is Marc Alias looking into this? Blue Owl Saturday #43

Here it is on Substack: Native Saturday #46

Thank you! Think. Again. Saturday #54

I also completely forgot that Musk's "lottery" was only available to swing state, registered voters. Native Saturday #98

Yes, hopefully attorneys are looking into all that too. Think. Again. Saturday #113

excellent point NJCher Saturday #140

I updatedmy post. I inadvertently included the wrong link. Native Saturday #120

Thanks again! Think. Again. Saturday #124

Buell was a guest on brad cast and the brad blog has an excellent article today about his concerns questionseverything Saturday #181

May I ask you for a link? Or more info on the "Brad Cast" so I can find a link? Think. Again. Saturday #184

Google bradblog , I can't post a link on my phone but questionseverything Saturday #186

Thanks! I'll search now... Think. Again. Saturday #188

Here it is! Thanks! Think. Again. Saturday #192

No, thank you for everything you are doing, trying to raise awareness questionseverything Saturday #194

Yes, WE are ultimately responsible for our Democracy (no matter what our elected officials say about that). Think. Again. Saturday #196

Steven Spoonamore on The Thom Hartmann Program Live (11/18/2024) - 02:16:30 - 02:28:45 ---- ConcernedCitizen1776 Tuesday #252

This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Saturday #60

What form should these protests take? MadameButterfly Saturday #71

This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Saturday #93

Thanks you!!!! MadameButterfly Saturday #67

I updated my post. I inadvertently included the wrong link to the duty to warn letter. Native Saturday #121

These Election Security Experts Need to Endorse the Hand Recount MrWowWow Saturday #70

Thank you Helicoptercatmom Saturday #97

This message was self-deleted by its author Native Saturday #122

I accidentally pasted the wrong link. Here's the correct one Native Saturday #123

Thank you, Native... oldsoldierfadingfast Saturday #209

It was also saved on archive.is (not by me) soldierant Sunday #245

Also can't access, but here is some other info masmdu Saturday #53

Also, very strange that this is not available on masmdu Saturday #55

How can there be 350,000 "bullet ballots" in North Carolina? Only 88,511 fewer votes for Gov. than Pres. onenote Saturday #56

That is my thought as well. n/t John1956PA Saturday #94

I keep looking at NCSBE dweller Saturday #104

Canvassing in NC ends Friday, November 15th Abnredleg Saturday #133

Bold of you to ask for evidence Sympthsical Saturday #117

So how many of us have called the White House? Marc Elias? The governor of NC? The governors of the swing states? BComplex Saturday #57

I agree Beck23 Saturday #59

Wow. Can you find any documentation of that online? Native Saturday #100

Stephen Spoonamore is a grifter. DiamondShark Sunday #227

Interesting. Native Sunday #231

This message was self-deleted by its author DiamondShark Sunday #232

When you spend as much time as I have... DiamondShark Sunday #233

Mango Mussolini filed 62 lawsuits contesting the results of the 2020 election. Why doesn't Kamala do the same??? LaMouffette Saturday #66

Because Harris isn't a grifter. DiamondShark Sunday #228

If a recount shows there was fraud defacto7 Saturday #69

Wasn't aware of the bullet ballots - they don't make sense. I would fully support a hand count. n/t iluvtennis Saturday #72

As reluctant as I am to conspiracies, something doesn't add up especially after reading this underpants Saturday #74

Please fix your source or delete this post. AllyCat Saturday #75

see post #46 Native Saturday #102

Maybe you should delete your post asm128 Saturday #131

Actually, I did read it. The link was there with where the poster AllyCat Saturday #135

ban hammer Kali999 Saturday #137

The social media influencers are grifting. DiamondShark Sunday #229

The technical report came out a few days ago Beck23 Saturday #76

Could you please share the technical report? masmdu Saturday #83

There are others here who can understand some or all of that "IT lingo". Any reason you aren't sharing the link? Bernardo de La Paz Saturday #108

I will summarize it... DiamondShark Sunday #230

K&R SheltieLover Saturday #78

Start with the states that he was screaming fraud thinkingagain Saturday #80

This certainly seems suspicious but... Wiz Imp Saturday #82

Trump was targeting low propensity voters Abnredleg Saturday #116

Keep in mind that this fraud, if true, johnnyfins Saturday #84

If this were a primary The Madcap Saturday #87

You would have to be really stupid to stack 300,000 votes for only Trump and not expected to.. yourout Saturday #89

There are posts on Reddit where people are looking at New York and finding a lot of the same thing Native Saturday #110

Now I'm suspicious and want to know more. . . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Saturday #90

This isn't about "conspiracy"! CaptainTruth Saturday #91

Republicans haven't won an honest Presidential Election or been the legacy of a dishonest one since Ike. Botany Saturday #92

Makes more sense to me than him bringing in new voters Tribetime Saturday #95

Read this last night, and it certainly merits further consideration CanonRay Saturday #99

"Access Denied" on all links about Soonamore on Daily Kos karin_sj Saturday #101

Trying to correct the typo on my post... karin_sj Saturday #103

see my post, #46. i copied the letter. Native Saturday #112

This might be of help. DiamondShark Sunday #234

Bullet Ballots? Mr.Bee Saturday #105

Not rigged osteopath6 Saturday #111

per NBC, experts found 3 dozen US voting sysyems connected to the Internet. Native Saturday #114

Pisswig and Mikey's dweller Saturday #118

Article from Jan 2020, but still potentially relevant Mike 03 Saturday #134

& this other oldie but goodie - Connell being suicided before testifying about voter fraud and also mentions Spoonamore Native Saturday #136

That is auspicious. LiberalFighter Saturday #119

This looks like credible evidence that the election was hacked. If somebody told you before the election that Trump Doodley Saturday #125

a reply to a post on Bluesky says Spoonamore will be on the Thom Hartmann Show this Monday Native Saturday #126

This is not far fetched... judy Saturday #130

Computer experts? Progressive dog Saturday #132

Programmable electronics can be programmed. But, Hermit-The-Prog Saturday #138

Musk just warned us on Twitter that there will be consequences for those who pushed foreign interference hoaxes Native Saturday #141

Sure Leon dweller Saturday #146

It won't be Merrick Wednesdays Saturday #199

My Dad voted for Harris and no one else on the ballot. It's not uncommon. Wanderlust988 Saturday #143

You are right, it's not uncommon. But this election was uncommonly higher than all past elections. Native Saturday #150

And, if not mistaken, uncommonly higher specifically in the swing states Babajida Saturday #169

The actual numbers don't support the the "bullet ballot" claim. onenote Saturday #179

Do you have evidence that it's not uncommon? The author of the letter states that it is usually Doodley Saturday #157

the letter discussed this Native Saturday #173

Maybe we should pay these experts big money BootinUp Saturday #148

Keep this at the top. nt returnee Saturday #149

I'm all in favor of audits. snot Saturday #152

Why are we not doing a recount? What is there to lose? pinkstarburst Saturday #153

There are statutory requirements for recounts Abnredleg Saturday #161

Any candidate can ask for a recount, but they have to pay if the difference is above a certain percentage questionseverything Saturday #218

I'm very skeptical here creeksneakers2 Saturday #154

he testified in that case. considered an expert. this is all over Reddit and Native Saturday #176

I debunked it here: creeksneakers2 7 hrs ago #264

I'm wondering if someone threatened the Harris Walz families MagickMuffin Saturday #156

Good lord, Harris and Waltz aren't shucking ridiculous conspiracy theories...so you concoct another ridiculous tritsofme Saturday #162

Nor am I, I stated it could be a possibility not that it happened MagickMuffin Saturday #204

There's a possibility that little green men from Mars used a space laser to change the votes. tritsofme Saturday #214

Al Gore spoke eloquently on why he stopped pursuing the recount Babajida Saturday #168

Well Al Gore had no choice in the matter after the 5 to 4 decision MagickMuffin Saturday #205

Can you post the salient points of that article here? Babajida Saturday #165

see post #54. it's there. Native Saturday #172

Duty to warn WriteFight Tuesday #251

I completely believed that Harris was/is a fighter! That she is strong, incorruptible, brave, and different. colorado_ufo Saturday #167

I would give money to do this for Harris.............and Greg Palast is really good when it comes to voting............ turbinetree Saturday #174

Here is how. After the first $41,300 goes to the DNC, the next $3,300 goes for the Harris recount fund MichMan Sunday #235

Thank you turbinetree Monday #249

Democracy requires the certainty that such a recount would provide. n/t Beartracks Saturday #175

Could also it be that a large number of MAGA voters cared only about voting for Trump Ocelot II Saturday #177

They were targeting low propensity voters Abnredleg Saturday #180

In Seven swing states then they voted for trump and then voted for the Democratic running for senate. Ninga Tuesday #257

And where is Trump on recounts and rigged elections? He barely won a majority bucolic_frolic Saturday #178

Well time's a wasting, better get a move on it. /nt bucolic_frolic Saturday #185

It's just so hard for us to admit to ourselves. SidneyR Saturday #193

Heads up! Recounts require observers! Hope22 Saturday #195

What happened to trusting our election processes and officials? HereForTheParty Saturday #197

any computer system that emulates human work -- requires human spot checks cadoman Saturday #200

Im all for it if this is true....makes more sense to me than drumph gaining voters Tribetime Saturday #202

Harris Will Ask For Recounts annielion Saturday #203

Any body know ????? aurora the great Saturday #206

Jeeze... Not this shit again. reACTIONary Saturday #207

Does it have to be Harris? mzmolly Saturday #208

I think it has to be Harris annielion Saturday #212

Crud. I wonder if a lower level candidate can do it? mzmolly Saturday #217

Lower level candidate? annielion Sunday #222

Looks like the first step would be for everyone to donate $44,600 apiece MichMan Sunday #238

I mean somebody down ballot. mzmolly Sunday #242

Unless it is a statewide office, any recount would only be for a limited area MichMan Sunday #243

Senate candidates mzmolly Sunday #244

When I lived in WI, I watched the REBULICAN city clerk, remove ballots from the voting machine, Bluethroughu Saturday #213

This Could Be DallasNE Sunday #221

I'm glad to see this on the top of the greatest page nt garybeck Sunday #223

Do not promote ridiculous, bigoted, or extreme-fringe conspiracy theories ... TomWilm Sunday #226

"extreme-fringe conspiracy theories" - TBF Tuesday #254

I am quoting the DU guide lines, as you might be aware ... TomWilm Tuesday #260

I'm not as confident as you are in the process - TBF Tuesday #263

Spoonamore is a Republican. FYI DiamondShark Sunday #236

So is Dick Cheney. Your point? nt TBF Tuesday #255

Do you trust Dick Cheney? DiamondShark Tuesday #256

I trust very few people and party has little to do with it - TBF Tuesday #259

I agree with what you said. DiamondShark Tuesday #261

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Duty to warn WriteFight Tuesday #250

Duty To Warn letters WriteFight Tuesday #253

K&R for exposure. Nt Ninga Tuesday #258