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69. "where the person is under 18 or where force, fraud or coercion exists"

Tue Nov 19, 2024, 06:28 PM

Nov 19

Act 18 U.S.C. § 1591, or the Commercial Sex Act, the US makes it illegal to recruit, entice, obtain, provide, move or harbor a person or to benefit from such activities knowing that the person will be caused to engage in commercial sex acts where the person is under 18 or where force, fraud or coercion exists

The person who could establish that Gaetz knew she was trafficked was Joel Greenberg a criminal who ran a prostitution service. The DOJ apparently considered him to be an unreliable witness. The case is not clear cut.

Joel Greenberg, former tax collector for Seminole County, was accused of stalking a political opponent, public corruption, making fake licenses and scheming to submit false claims for a federal loan.

He pleaded guilty to six federal crimes, including identity theft, stalking, wire fraud and conspiracy to bribe a public official. Prosecutors said he paid at least one girl to have sex with him and other men.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/joel-greenberg-sentenced-sex-crimes-freind-matt-gaetz/

Even if Gaetz could be pinned down on paying the Girl for sex (not a Federal offence, his defense would be that he had no reason to believe the girl was a minor or coerced.

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Any Garland Defenders Watching Rachel [View all] gab13by13 Nov 18 OP

No qazplm135 Nov 18 #1

IMO he's a republican mole, Joe Biden's worst pick. The reason why trump was never... brush Nov 18 #29

His NYS case H2O Man Nov 19 #38

True, but for some reason the judge keeps postponing the sentencing. brush Nov 19 #42

Definitely. H2O Man Nov 19 #43

At this point, even if the judge gives Trump jail time (which is doubtful), the Supreme Court... LudwigPastorius Nov 19 #44

brush, I agree with you, but I want to play devil's advocate here UniqueUserName Nov 19 #51

Very few still believe the "conservative and tentative" Garland excuse any more. Irish_Dem Nov 19 #52

Horrible choice in any time period. paleotn Nov 19 #67

Is it a rerun? milestogo Nov 18 #2

Yes, IOKIYAR rerun gab13by13 Nov 18 #3

This message was self-deleted by its author radical noodle Nov 18 #4

Agree Gab13by13. MG is complicit. Clouds Passing Nov 18 #5

Justice delayed. See how that works? dchill Nov 18 #6

Garland Failed Baron2024 Nov 18 #7

He can be non-partisan when Trump prosecutes him and throws him in jail. hadEnuf Nov 18 #10

Most of those BigMin28 Nov 18 #12

I don't have any inside info but I have to say that dsc Nov 18 #8

Better to try BigMin28 Nov 18 #13

Under age is under age. Bluethroughu Nov 18 #22

Felony sex with a minor is not a federal case. speak easy Nov 18 #25

Even if it's with a US Congressman? Bluethroughu Nov 18 #28

Then apparently CREW made a mistake when it sued DOJ gab13by13 Nov 18 #30

Sex trafficking of a minor IS a [Federal] felony case. speak easy Nov 18 #35

Okay atreides1 Nov 19 #53

+1, any other person the DOJ would've thrown the library at them uponit7771 Nov 19 #63

So? It's still a felony and a crime. brush Nov 18 #31

It is if she crossed state lines to do it. Mr.Bill Nov 19 #58

It is a Federal Felony offense if [a minor] is trafficked. speak easy Nov 19 #68

no, but I believe transporting across state lines for sexual purposes is. JMCKUSICK Nov 19 #66

"where the person is under 18 or where force, fraud or coercion exists" speak easy Nov 19 #69

Criminals are surrounded by other criminals. Witnesses are usually criminals themselves. Irish_Dem Nov 19 #54

If I live long enoughI would expect to see Garland blamed for the coming disaster gordianot Nov 18 #9

Exactly my thoughts Dave says Nov 18 #16

Exactly my thoughts too gab13by13 Nov 18 #32

Saving this thread before it's deleted. Sigh usonian Nov 18 #11

How in heaven's name is that thread similar to mine? gab13by13 Nov 18 #34

Apologies if I goofed. usonian Nov 19 #41

i might be misrembering... Takket Nov 18 #14

He went to prison for sex trafficking among other things, Bluethroughu Nov 18 #23

I thought Garland was spineless now I think he's complicit Tribetime Nov 18 #15

Think he was in his underwear like Alan Dershowitz claimed? Evolve Dammit Nov 19 #60

Garland was compromised the day he bent the knee. Weasel wart. NotHardly Nov 18 #17

Not "had sex with", RAPED 0rganism Nov 18 #18

Yep. A minor cannot consent to sex either. It is statutory rape even if she agrees that it was ok. kerry-is-my-prez Nov 18 #33

Lather, rinse, repeat... Fiendish Thingy Nov 18 #19

There is no defense for Merrick Garland not prosecuting gab13by13 Nov 18 #36

Yes. Perform a blatant crime in full view of the entire country. Watch Garland's DOJ sit on its Scrivener7 Nov 19 #45

Except Garland, Smith and DOJ did DO SOMETHING Fiendish Thingy Nov 19 #47

Shaking my damn head. Scrivener7 Nov 19 #49

Read this, and let me know what you think: Fiendish Thingy Nov 19 #50

You have been wrong all this time. That's the verifiable reality. Scrivener7 Nov 19 #61

Myths vs. Reality: Fiendish Thingy Nov 19 #62

You were wrong. Scrivener7 Nov 19 #64

Well, I guess that settles it then. Fiendish Thingy Nov 19 #65

I say in my calm voice. .... Why would ANYONE defend Garland ??? So depressed. Trueblue1968 Nov 18 #20

But, but Orrin Hatch gave him two thumbs up...🫱🫲 rubbersole Nov 18 #24

Joe has Garland's back Kaleva Nov 19 #39

Happy now that they stole that SCOTUS seat from Obama. Otherwise, Garland would be with us forever! Jit423 Nov 19 #57

Some people transfer their loyalty to Obama and Biden TheKentuckian Nov 18 #21

Post removed Post removed Nov 18 #26

Me too. gab13by13 Nov 19 #37

Normalize calling Gaetz a RAPIST for sexually AllyCat Nov 18 #27

We don't know if Biden is watching Rachel Kaleva Nov 19 #40

I am amazed Garland has not done anything visibly kansasobama Nov 19 #46

The SCOTUS ruling against Colorado... returnee Nov 19 #48

SCOTUS is doing their very best to protect SCROTUM (oops, I meant Orange Julius). Evolve Dammit Nov 19 #56

When it comes to these fuckers orangecrush Nov 19 #55

45 months and counting republianmushroom Nov 19 #59

The through-thread is Federalist Society membership. Snarkoleptic Nov 19 #70

W has already broke that mold. czarjak Nov 19 #71