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Moostache

(10,161 posts)
12. NO, that's just not true...
Tue Nov 19, 2024, 07:36 PM
Tuesday

People think the economy sucks because its all they HEAR and SEE and are TOLD.
The objective facts are that the American economy is in better shape than anyone else in the world, BUT...because we did not somehow follow up runaway inflation from the collapse of supply chains and the pandemic impacts with an equally massive and MORE destructive DEPRESSION and economic CONTRACTION that really would have been catastrophic, people believe nonsense and propaganda instead.

Elon Musk and others like Peter Thiel and the P2025 zealots have gained exactly what they wanted - a foolish, easily manipulated titular head of a neutered and mean government. To keep people's minds off of how bad things will get for them, they will parade around a host of "others" to blame and to promise that despite their own pain, the pain dealt to those 'others' is greater.

And people fucking BOUGHT it. Hook. Line. Sinker.

If you believe 'messaging' = lie to and manipulate, then I might accept your conclusion. But I have watched in horror as he media has continued to normalize Trump for 10 years and eviscerated two of the most accomplished and qualified women candidates ANYWHERE in the FUCKING WORLD at the same time - first with "her emails" and then with "her interviews".

The cold hard truth is obvious - Trump gets a free pass and women get beat down. It is not a fucking secret that in three elections Trump won twice while being abetted by allies attacking and denigrating women and lost to the only male candidate he faced. If Hillary Clinton or Kamala Harris EVER said "They're eating the dogs. They're eating the cats. They're eating the pets of the people that live there." their candidacies would have ended before the clips finished airing the first day... instead, Trump is normalized as he did more and more and more outlandish shit.

If the media and the pundits and the intelligentsia all conspire to give one person a pass and the other the riot act, I'm sorry, but that is NOT a 'messaging' problem, its a media problem and there must be consequences for it. I truly hope that every single network, newspaper, magazine and reporter involved in the last 10 years of politics and news coverage work for outlets that go bankrupt in the next 4 years. I hope they all lose their cushy jobs, expensive NYC apartments and cocktail party lifestyles and end up bankrupt and unemployed as a result of this catastrophe they co-authored with Thiel and Musk and the crazies.

Who knows, maybe one of them with have hidden writing talents and can write a modern retelling of Steinbeck's "Grapes of Wrath" in the new depression United States of the 2020's that is coming like a freight train. But blame the messaging if you wish...its not like we haven't heard THAT before either in 2016...

100% correct article. Irish_Dem Tuesday #1
I agree. The last quoted paragraph sums it up. Nt spooky3 Tuesday #2
The most perfect summation of the election possible. Irish_Dem Tuesday #4
K&R Docreed2003 Tuesday #3
Sorry, but it is indeed the lack of Dem Party messaging... SnoopDog Tuesday #5
This SomedayKindaLove Tuesday #9
NO, that's just not true... Moostache Tuesday #12
"People think the economy sucks because its all they HEAR and SEE and are TOLD." SnoopDog Tuesday #13
Propaganda is not messaging. Moostache Tuesday #18
The billionaire-owned Media will not message for the Dems... SnoopDog Tuesday #20
The dem party does not own or chair any happy feet Tuesday #31
Exactly.... SnoopDog Tuesday #32
The media voters consume is alternative media: social media, podcasts, and radio iemanja 13 hrs ago #72
Propaganda is literally messaging JoseBalow Tuesday #29
"Propaganda is not messaging." Prescisely. Cha Yesterday #42
Propaganda is a TYPE of messaging where influencing harumph 20 hrs ago #48
Propaganda is Bullshit.. "Haitians eating cats & dogs" Cha 16 hrs ago #59
How is it not? iemanja 13 hrs ago #70
"The Democratic Party does not have a message media infrastructure." soldierant Tuesday #33
They did. cab67 20 hrs ago #49
That's the best reply I have heard in a long long time. Bravo!! Here Here! ReRe Tuesday #21
Excellent Post, Moostache... Mahalo for Cha Yesterday #41
The media--largely alternative media--controls messaging iemanja 13 hrs ago #73
The problem as I see it is a whore media that normalized all of the weird and dangerous things * has said. OMGWTF Tuesday #23
That's why the Dem Party need media messaging outlets. SnoopDog Tuesday #25
The Democratic message was excellent. Harris & Walz hit the nail on the head every time. hadEnuf Tuesday #28
Exactly, I have no idea when this is not obvious to everyone. Tumbulu 15 hrs ago #62
Wrong! We lost because of the racist sexist crap in this country that says a woman esp. a WOC shouldn't be president. PortTack 20 hrs ago #45
What do you suggest? Should we purchase thousands of small radio stations? Magoo48 18 hrs ago #52
Yes, we need radio stations in every state... SnoopDog 18 hrs ago #53
I agree, Joe's accomplishes were not messaged to the people during his 4 years..... Butterflylady 14 hrs ago #63
In Pennsylvania, the Harris campaign TV ads were "take it easy on Trump" Number9Dream 14 hrs ago #64
It takes years and years to properly message the people... SnoopDog 14 hrs ago #65
I agree, but they didn't even try. I'm sure there were some undecided independents in PA. Number9Dream 14 hrs ago #66
Disagree mcar 13 hrs ago #68
Totally agree... SnoopDog 13 hrs ago #74
Republican billionaires bought them mcar 13 hrs ago #75
But for Some it's ALWAYS Blame the Dems Cha Tuesday #6
If you're trying to win the electoral college... Lucky Luciano Tuesday #17
They are NOT "echo chambares" Just Because Cha Tuesday #35
Meh...you're right, let's just keep the same approach which has worked so well. Lucky Luciano 19 hrs ago #51
Meh. Cha 16 hrs ago #58
The control of the Supreme Court was on the ballot in 2016 LetMyPeopleVote Tuesday #38
Mahalo, LMPV.. You Get IT * & Jill Fucking Stein LIED Cha Yesterday #40
Joe Biden apparently wouldn't consider expanding the Extreme Court to 13 justices. JustABozoOnThisBus 20 hrs ago #47
Sure was. And we were told by some on the far left mcar 13 hrs ago #71
+++ JohnSJ 23 hrs ago #43
This is truth! Dem4life1970 Tuesday #7
Biden was the most pro white working class president radius777 Tuesday #8
She did everything right. She talk middle/working class. The only thing is man on ticket LizBeth Tuesday #10
Reasons? Personally, I think the pandemic gave people an excuse that Trump would have been really great, but for that RoeVWade Tuesday #11
When "The immigrants are eating the cats and dogs."..is a more potent campaign point than... albacore Tuesday #14
Or people believe the "Deep State" which I call sensible people in government trying to derail a sociopath, prevented RoeVWade Tuesday #15
Case in point: madamesilverspurs Tuesday #16
1,000% CORRECT Cosmocat Tuesday #19
I'd love to say that, from an Independent, the essay was a) fact based high compliment to Harris, Walz and Democrats, ancianita Tuesday #22
Electoral success Cirsium Tuesday #24
Umm . . . Seriously? cer7711 Tuesday #26
I've seen two numbers JustAnotherGen Tuesday #34
Thank God dlk Tuesday #27
Yup half the people suck Joinfortmill Tuesday #30
Sorry, have to push back on this. biocube Tuesday #36
My take on Henry203 21 hrs ago #44
Democratic messaging is fine, people just aren't HEARING it....... Takket Tuesday #37
THANK YOU, John Pavlovitz -- and Dennis Donovan. This is 100% accurate, imho. nt Hekate Yesterday #39
K&R...nt Wounded Bear 20 hrs ago #46
John Pavlovitz is spot on! n/t iluvtennis 19 hrs ago #50
Thank you Blue_Tires 18 hrs ago #54
The vast, right-wing, oligarch propaganda system strikes again. Concentration of wealth and media is the root. Hermit-The-Prog 18 hrs ago #55
I agree 100%. Martin68 17 hrs ago #56
I enjoy idiosyncratic messaging critiques. praxEs 16 hrs ago #57
It is the stupidity and political narcissism that we struggle more with. TheKentuckian 15 hrs ago #60
Perfectly stated. mdbl 15 hrs ago #61
Exactly mcar 14 hrs ago #67
If you think it's all racism and misogyny iemanja 13 hrs ago #69
What part of "voting for a Republican is to vote against your own interest" Justice matters. 13 hrs ago #76
They believe that because they are swayed by RW messaging iemanja 12 hrs ago #77
Absolutely. Well stated. What a majority of the nation has become. brush 12 hrs ago #78
For the Harris Walz campaign I would had made minor changes LiberalFighter 10 hrs ago #79
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