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Moostache

(11,140 posts)
12. NO, that's just not true...
Tue Nov 19, 2024, 08:36 PM
Nov 2024

People think the economy sucks because its all they HEAR and SEE and are TOLD.
The objective facts are that the American economy is in better shape than anyone else in the world, BUT...because we did not somehow follow up runaway inflation from the collapse of supply chains and the pandemic impacts with an equally massive and MORE destructive DEPRESSION and economic CONTRACTION that really would have been catastrophic, people believe nonsense and propaganda instead.

Elon Musk and others like Peter Thiel and the P2025 zealots have gained exactly what they wanted - a foolish, easily manipulated titular head of a neutered and mean government. To keep people's minds off of how bad things will get for them, they will parade around a host of "others" to blame and to promise that despite their own pain, the pain dealt to those 'others' is greater.

And people fucking BOUGHT it. Hook. Line. Sinker.

If you believe 'messaging' = lie to and manipulate, then I might accept your conclusion. But I have watched in horror as he media has continued to normalize Trump for 10 years and eviscerated two of the most accomplished and qualified women candidates ANYWHERE in the FUCKING WORLD at the same time - first with "her emails" and then with "her interviews".

The cold hard truth is obvious - Trump gets a free pass and women get beat down. It is not a fucking secret that in three elections Trump won twice while being abetted by allies attacking and denigrating women and lost to the only male candidate he faced. If Hillary Clinton or Kamala Harris EVER said "They're eating the dogs. They're eating the cats. They're eating the pets of the people that live there." their candidacies would have ended before the clips finished airing the first day... instead, Trump is normalized as he did more and more and more outlandish shit.

If the media and the pundits and the intelligentsia all conspire to give one person a pass and the other the riot act, I'm sorry, but that is NOT a 'messaging' problem, its a media problem and there must be consequences for it. I truly hope that every single network, newspaper, magazine and reporter involved in the last 10 years of politics and news coverage work for outlets that go bankrupt in the next 4 years. I hope they all lose their cushy jobs, expensive NYC apartments and cocktail party lifestyles and end up bankrupt and unemployed as a result of this catastrophe they co-authored with Thiel and Musk and the crazies.

Who knows, maybe one of them with have hidden writing talents and can write a modern retelling of Steinbeck's "Grapes of Wrath" in the new depression United States of the 2020's that is coming like a freight train. But blame the messaging if you wish...its not like we haven't heard THAT before either in 2016...

100% correct article. Irish_Dem Nov 2024 #1
I agree. The last quoted paragraph sums it up. Nt spooky3 Nov 2024 #2
The most perfect summation of the election possible. Irish_Dem Nov 2024 #4
K&R Docreed2003 Nov 2024 #3
Sorry, but it is indeed the lack of Dem Party messaging... SnoopDog Nov 2024 #5
This SomedayKindaLove Nov 2024 #9
NO, that's just not true... Moostache Nov 2024 #12
"People think the economy sucks because its all they HEAR and SEE and are TOLD." SnoopDog Nov 2024 #13
Propaganda is not messaging. Moostache Nov 2024 #18
The billionaire-owned Media will not message for the Dems... SnoopDog Nov 2024 #20
The dem party does not own or chair any happy feet Nov 2024 #31
Exactly.... SnoopDog Nov 2024 #32
The media voters consume is alternative media: social media, podcasts, and radio iemanja Nov 2024 #72
Propaganda is literally messaging JoseBalow Nov 2024 #29
"Propaganda is not messaging." Prescisely. Cha Nov 2024 #42
Propaganda is a TYPE of messaging where influencing harumph Nov 2024 #48
Propaganda is Bullshit.. "Haitians eating cats & dogs" Cha Nov 2024 #59
How is it not? iemanja Nov 2024 #70
"The Democratic Party does not have a message media infrastructure." soldierant Nov 2024 #33
They did. cab67 Nov 2024 #49
That's the best reply I have heard in a long long time. Bravo!! Here Here! ReRe Nov 2024 #21
Excellent Post, Moostache... Mahalo for Cha Nov 2024 #41
The media--largely alternative media--controls messaging iemanja Nov 2024 #73
The problem as I see it is a whore media that normalized all of the weird and dangerous things * has said. OMGWTF Nov 2024 #23
That's why the Dem Party need media messaging outlets. SnoopDog Nov 2024 #25
The Democratic message was excellent. Harris & Walz hit the nail on the head every time. hadEnuf Nov 2024 #28
Exactly, I have no idea when this is not obvious to everyone. Tumbulu Nov 2024 #62
Wrong! We lost because of the racist sexist crap in this country that says a woman esp. a WOC shouldn't be president. PortTack Nov 2024 #45
What do you suggest? Should we purchase thousands of small radio stations? Magoo48 Nov 2024 #52
Yes, we need radio stations in every state... SnoopDog Nov 2024 #53
I agree, Joe's accomplishes were not messaged to the people during his 4 years..... Butterflylady Nov 2024 #63
In Pennsylvania, the Harris campaign TV ads were "take it easy on Trump" Number9Dream Nov 2024 #64
It takes years and years to properly message the people... SnoopDog Nov 2024 #65
I agree, but they didn't even try. I'm sure there were some undecided independents in PA. Number9Dream Nov 2024 #66
Disagree mcar Nov 2024 #68
Totally agree... SnoopDog Nov 2024 #74
Republican billionaires bought them mcar Nov 2024 #75
But for Some it's ALWAYS Blame the Dems Cha Nov 2024 #6
If you're trying to win the electoral college... Lucky Luciano Nov 2024 #17
They are NOT "echo chambares" Just Because Cha Nov 2024 #35
Meh...you're right, let's just keep the same approach which has worked so well. Lucky Luciano Nov 2024 #51
Meh. Cha Nov 2024 #58
The control of the Supreme Court was on the ballot in 2016 LetMyPeopleVote Nov 2024 #38
Mahalo, LMPV.. You Get IT * & Jill Fucking Stein LIED Cha Nov 2024 #40
Joe Biden apparently wouldn't consider expanding the Extreme Court to 13 justices. JustABozoOnThisBus Nov 2024 #47
Sure was. And we were told by some on the far left mcar Nov 2024 #71
+++ JohnSJ Nov 2024 #43
This is truth! Dem4life1970 Nov 2024 #7
Biden was the most pro white working class president radius777 Nov 2024 #8
She did everything right. She talk middle/working class. The only thing is man on ticket LizBeth Nov 2024 #10
Reasons? Personally, I think the pandemic gave people an excuse that Trump would have been really great, but for that RoeVWade Nov 2024 #11
When "The immigrants are eating the cats and dogs."..is a more potent campaign point than... albacore Nov 2024 #14
Or people believe the "Deep State" which I call sensible people in government trying to derail a sociopath, prevented RoeVWade Nov 2024 #15
Case in point: madamesilverspurs Nov 2024 #16
1,000% CORRECT Cosmocat Nov 2024 #19
I'd love to say that, from an Independent, the essay was a) fact based high compliment to Harris, Walz and Democrats, ancianita Nov 2024 #22
Electoral success Cirsium Nov 2024 #24
Umm . . . Seriously? cer7711 Nov 2024 #26
I've seen two numbers JustAnotherGen Nov 2024 #34
Thank God dlk Nov 2024 #27
Yup half the people suck Joinfortmill Nov 2024 #30
Sorry, have to push back on this. biocube Nov 2024 #36
My take on Henry203 Nov 2024 #44
Democratic messaging is fine, people just aren't HEARING it....... Takket Nov 2024 #37
THANK YOU, John Pavlovitz -- and Dennis Donovan. This is 100% accurate, imho. nt Hekate Nov 2024 #39
K&R...nt Wounded Bear Nov 2024 #46
John Pavlovitz is spot on! n/t iluvtennis Nov 2024 #50
Thank you Blue_Tires Nov 2024 #54
The vast, right-wing, oligarch propaganda system strikes again. Concentration of wealth and media is the root. Hermit-The-Prog Nov 2024 #55
I agree 100%. Martin68 Nov 2024 #56
I enjoy idiosyncratic messaging critiques. praxEs Nov 2024 #57
It is the stupidity and political narcissism that we struggle more with. TheKentuckian Nov 2024 #60
Perfectly stated. mdbl Nov 2024 #61
Exactly mcar Nov 2024 #67
If you think it's all racism and misogyny iemanja Nov 2024 #69
What part of "voting for a Republican is to vote against your own interest" Justice matters. Nov 2024 #76
They believe that because they are swayed by RW messaging iemanja Nov 2024 #77
Absolutely. Well stated. What a majority of the nation has become. brush Nov 2024 #78
For the Harris Walz campaign I would had made minor changes LiberalFighter Nov 2024 #79
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