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LogDog75

(97 posts)
31. I'm a retired AF Senior Master Sergeant (E-8)
Wed Nov 20, 2024, 01:34 PM
17 hrs ago

I retired from the AF after 28 years of active duty service. The question of what is an illegal order is something we faced. In most cases, the person giving the illegal order was informed by the person(s) given the order why it was illegal and the person giving the order backed down when they had the correct information. If the person giving the illegal order didn't back down it was elevated up the chain-of-command where it was squashed and the person giving the order had to explain themself to their immediate supervisor or commander.

As for DonOld Trump giving the military orders to go into the streets and round-up illegal immigrants I believe the Chiefs of Staffs for the military branches will try to push back on the order saying it violates Posse Comitatus which is using the military for law enforcement. Posse Comitatus does allow use of military resources to support law enforcement such as providing troops in a support capacity at the border or for drug interdiction. Although the Chiefs of Staff may resist the orders I have no doubt DonOld Trump would replace any one of them if they refused to follow his orders. Going down the chain-of-command, many officers would resist as best they could the orders and if they refused they'd too be replaced. Unfortunately, there are enough officers and enlisted who would have no problem doing whatever DonOld Trump wanted them to do. I wouldn't put it past him to require military officers to sign a loyalty oath to him.

So, as far as a military revolt, no, there wouldn't be one but IMO, it would not only tear the military apart but it would severely damage it for years making the U.S. weaker militarily. In addition, the services are having a hard time meeting their recruitment quotas and this would further negatively impact recruiting. If that happens, then look to having the Draft, which I oppose, return.

IOW, who's in charge (of The Military)? no_hypocrisy 21 hrs ago #1
The US president is in charge of the US military. Irish_Dem 20 hrs ago #8
But if the military revolts, who gives them commands they'll obey? no_hypocrisy 20 hrs ago #10
Doubtful the US military will revolt against a sitting US president. Irish_Dem 20 hrs ago #14
Kent State: Twenty-eight National Guard soldiers fired about 67 rounds over 13 seconds, killing 4 students, acquitted kerry-is-my-prez 17 hrs ago #35
This has zero to do with the OP topic. Irish_Dem 17 hrs ago #36
It showed that 28 soldiers were willing to shoot and kill protestors. kerry-is-my-prez 16 hrs ago #44
Yes it is a very isolated example of soldiers willing to kill civilians. Irish_Dem 16 hrs ago #45
Just watched the film "Seven Days in May" last nite. It's about a military coup allegorical oracle 16 hrs ago #37
The only military revolt I expect to see sarisataka 20 hrs ago #2
And, it doesn't matter if a Been A Dick Donald defense secretary gives the illegal order, MarineCombatEngineer 20 hrs ago #4
I hope and pray you are right JustAnotherGen 20 hrs ago #7
I'm sure there would be a few, MarineCombatEngineer 20 hrs ago #9
My grampa JustAnotherGen 20 hrs ago #18
I served 2 year as a Marine cop before returning to my original MOS, MarineCombatEngineer 20 hrs ago #20
But, if the orders were made legal? wnylib 16 hrs ago #38
For some reason Bettie 20 hrs ago #17
It's not what happened at Kent State when they shot and killed protesting students kerry-is-my-prez 17 hrs ago #32
Not everyone was appalled. Quite a few said wnylib 16 hrs ago #43
That is probably why tRump FarPoint 20 hrs ago #11
Nailed it! ._. 9 hrs ago #51
Talking about what? Revolting? Sympthsical 20 hrs ago #3
Revolting against an illegal order. nt MarineCombatEngineer 20 hrs ago #6
We are in an unprecedented time libtodeath 20 hrs ago #12
What are you asking for? Sympthsical 20 hrs ago #16
No I am not libtodeath 20 hrs ago #19
The military would probably revolt in such a case Sympthsical 20 hrs ago #21
Which leads to what libtodeath 20 hrs ago #22
They wouldn't refuse a legal order and if the vast majority of line officers and NCO's refuse MarineCombatEngineer 20 hrs ago #23
Hope there are people around that won't do it Sympthsical 20 hrs ago #26
You are absolutely correct, MarineCombatEngineer 19 hrs ago #27
LOL Sympthsical 19 hrs ago #28
They won't JustAnotherGen 20 hrs ago #5
"They won't" Xavier Breath 16 hrs ago #39
It had better be a huge revolt gab13by13 20 hrs ago #13
I don't see a revolt happening. Infighting maybe. ChicagoRonin 20 hrs ago #15
He's planning a purge of the military EndlessWire 15 hrs ago #47
A shattering reality JR11 20 hrs ago #24
Actually, there was a time Dan 20 hrs ago #25
They would have to go all the way. milestogo 19 hrs ago #29
What happens if they don't? - Even more scary Ranting Randy 19 hrs ago #30
I'm a retired AF Senior Master Sergeant (E-8) LogDog75 17 hrs ago #31
I don't understand how ANYONE it the military can support Cadet Bonespurs Skittles 9 hrs ago #50
I doubt there will be any active "revolution." Wouldn't surprise me, though... Wounded Bear 17 hrs ago #33
What happens if my Aunt had balls? maxsolomon 17 hrs ago #34
why would your aunt want THE most delicate body part? Skittles 8 hrs ago #52
Lock him up !!!!!! French Revolution Trump like the french did to king louie !!!!!! Trueblue1968 16 hrs ago #40
So you propose sending him to the guillotine and decapitating him? totodeinhere 16 hrs ago #42
Perhaps send him to St. Helena or Elba for the rest of his life like they did to Napoleon Trueblue1968 11 hrs ago #48
The military is not going to revolt against him. totodeinhere 16 hrs ago #41
Good question Meowmee 15 hrs ago #46
They won't. The military has been brainwashed for Luz 10 hrs ago #49
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