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iemanja

(56,246 posts)
70. How is it not?
Wed Nov 20, 2024, 06:09 PM
Nov 2024

Messaging has nothing to do with truth. It's ideas and talk that circulate and sway the electorate. We are losing that war in a devastating fashion. The voters hear RW messaging from a wide variety of sources, not the media like CNN and newspapers that posters here like to complain about. Those voters don't consume that media. Social media, podcasts, radio, etc. dominates the messaging system, and it's 90% RW. If we don't build up a similar network, we will never get our ideas--messaging--out to voters.

The dictionary definition of messaging is: " the ideas or messages conveyed either explicitly or implicitly by a politician, advertising campaign, etc., or the way in which this is done: "the debate is as much about political messaging as it is about policy" · "we think positive messaging is better than negative."

That definition distinguishes messaging from policy. No where does it say messaging needs to be truthful.

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100% correct article. Irish_Dem Nov 2024 #1
I agree. The last quoted paragraph sums it up. Nt spooky3 Nov 2024 #2
The most perfect summation of the election possible. Irish_Dem Nov 2024 #4
K&R Docreed2003 Nov 2024 #3
Sorry, but it is indeed the lack of Dem Party messaging... SnoopDog Nov 2024 #5
This SomedayKindaLove Nov 2024 #9
NO, that's just not true... Moostache Nov 2024 #12
"People think the economy sucks because its all they HEAR and SEE and are TOLD." SnoopDog Nov 2024 #13
Propaganda is not messaging. Moostache Nov 2024 #18
The billionaire-owned Media will not message for the Dems... SnoopDog Nov 2024 #20
The dem party does not own or chair any happy feet Nov 2024 #31
Exactly.... SnoopDog Nov 2024 #32
The media voters consume is alternative media: social media, podcasts, and radio iemanja Nov 2024 #72
Propaganda is literally messaging JoseBalow Nov 2024 #29
"Propaganda is not messaging." Prescisely. Cha Nov 2024 #42
Propaganda is a TYPE of messaging where influencing harumph Nov 2024 #48
Propaganda is Bullshit.. "Haitians eating cats & dogs" Cha Nov 2024 #59
How is it not? iemanja Nov 2024 #70
"The Democratic Party does not have a message media infrastructure." soldierant Nov 2024 #33
They did. cab67 Nov 2024 #49
That's the best reply I have heard in a long long time. Bravo!! Here Here! ReRe Nov 2024 #21
Excellent Post, Moostache... Mahalo for Cha Nov 2024 #41
The media--largely alternative media--controls messaging iemanja Nov 2024 #73
The problem as I see it is a whore media that normalized all of the weird and dangerous things * has said. OMGWTF Nov 2024 #23
That's why the Dem Party need media messaging outlets. SnoopDog Nov 2024 #25
The Democratic message was excellent. Harris & Walz hit the nail on the head every time. hadEnuf Nov 2024 #28
Exactly, I have no idea when this is not obvious to everyone. Tumbulu Nov 2024 #62
Wrong! We lost because of the racist sexist crap in this country that says a woman esp. a WOC shouldn't be president. PortTack Nov 2024 #45
What do you suggest? Should we purchase thousands of small radio stations? Magoo48 Nov 2024 #52
Yes, we need radio stations in every state... SnoopDog Nov 2024 #53
I agree, Joe's accomplishes were not messaged to the people during his 4 years..... Butterflylady Nov 2024 #63
In Pennsylvania, the Harris campaign TV ads were "take it easy on Trump" Number9Dream Nov 2024 #64
It takes years and years to properly message the people... SnoopDog Nov 2024 #65
I agree, but they didn't even try. I'm sure there were some undecided independents in PA. Number9Dream Nov 2024 #66
Disagree mcar Nov 2024 #68
Totally agree... SnoopDog Nov 2024 #74
Republican billionaires bought them mcar Nov 2024 #75
But for Some it's ALWAYS Blame the Dems Cha Nov 2024 #6
If you're trying to win the electoral college... Lucky Luciano Nov 2024 #17
They are NOT "echo chambares" Just Because Cha Nov 2024 #35
Meh...you're right, let's just keep the same approach which has worked so well. Lucky Luciano Nov 2024 #51
Meh. Cha Nov 2024 #58
The control of the Supreme Court was on the ballot in 2016 LetMyPeopleVote Nov 2024 #38
Mahalo, LMPV.. You Get IT * & Jill Fucking Stein LIED Cha Nov 2024 #40
Joe Biden apparently wouldn't consider expanding the Extreme Court to 13 justices. JustABozoOnThisBus Nov 2024 #47
Sure was. And we were told by some on the far left mcar Nov 2024 #71
+++ JohnSJ Nov 2024 #43
This is truth! Dem4life1970 Nov 2024 #7
Biden was the most pro white working class president radius777 Nov 2024 #8
She did everything right. She talk middle/working class. The only thing is man on ticket LizBeth Nov 2024 #10
Reasons? Personally, I think the pandemic gave people an excuse that Trump would have been really great, but for that RoeVWade Nov 2024 #11
When "The immigrants are eating the cats and dogs."..is a more potent campaign point than... albacore Nov 2024 #14
Or people believe the "Deep State" which I call sensible people in government trying to derail a sociopath, prevented RoeVWade Nov 2024 #15
Case in point: madamesilverspurs Nov 2024 #16
1,000% CORRECT Cosmocat Nov 2024 #19
I'd love to say that, from an Independent, the essay was a) fact based high compliment to Harris, Walz and Democrats, ancianita Nov 2024 #22
Electoral success Cirsium Nov 2024 #24
Umm . . . Seriously? cer7711 Nov 2024 #26
I've seen two numbers JustAnotherGen Nov 2024 #34
Thank God dlk Nov 2024 #27
Yup half the people suck Joinfortmill Nov 2024 #30
Sorry, have to push back on this. biocube Nov 2024 #36
My take on Henry203 Nov 2024 #44
Democratic messaging is fine, people just aren't HEARING it....... Takket Nov 2024 #37
THANK YOU, John Pavlovitz -- and Dennis Donovan. This is 100% accurate, imho. nt Hekate Nov 2024 #39
K&R...nt Wounded Bear Nov 2024 #46
John Pavlovitz is spot on! n/t iluvtennis Nov 2024 #50
Thank you Blue_Tires Nov 2024 #54
The vast, right-wing, oligarch propaganda system strikes again. Concentration of wealth and media is the root. Hermit-The-Prog Nov 2024 #55
I agree 100%. Martin68 Nov 2024 #56
I enjoy idiosyncratic messaging critiques. praxEs Nov 2024 #57
It is the stupidity and political narcissism that we struggle more with. TheKentuckian Nov 2024 #60
Perfectly stated. mdbl Nov 2024 #61
Exactly mcar Nov 2024 #67
If you think it's all racism and misogyny iemanja Nov 2024 #69
What part of "voting for a Republican is to vote against your own interest" Justice matters. Nov 2024 #76
They believe that because they are swayed by RW messaging iemanja Nov 2024 #77
Absolutely. Well stated. What a majority of the nation has become. brush Nov 2024 #78
For the Harris Walz campaign I would had made minor changes LiberalFighter Nov 2024 #79
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