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Cirsium

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64. Flee, fight, or freeze
Thu Nov 21, 2024, 02:30 PM
Nov 2024

Who can judge another for the path they choose? Many of the biggest talkers are not such big fighters when the moment arrives. "Invincible in the parlor, invisible on the battlefield."

Should people not have fled Germany and other European countries in the 30s?

The Refugee Map

Supported by Designated Development Funding from Arts Council England, our Refugee Map represents part of The Wiener Holocaust Library's archives. This site includes a selection of our rich collections of Family Papers, including handwritten diaries, photo albums, identity and emigration papers, Red Cross letters and recorded interviews. These documents reveal and preserve the stories of the individuals and families that fled Nazi persecution and antisemitism in the years before, during and after the Second World War.

Founded by Dr Alfred Wiener in 1933, The Wiener Holocaust Library is one of the world’s leading and most extensive archives on the Holocaust and Nazi-era. We are dedicated to support research, learning, teaching and advocacy about the Holocaust and genocide, their causes and consequences.

https://www.refugeemap.org/

Albert Einstein’s legacy as a refugee

Albert Einstein is known as a genius, physicist and Nobel Laureate. While his theory of relativity changed the world, it wasn’t his only legacy. He was also a refugee and humanitarian, having inspired the founding of the organization that became the International Rescue Committee.

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Einstein was already a famous physicist by the time Adolf Hitler rose to power in 1933. As a German Jew, however, his civil liberties were suspended and he was barred from resuming his professorship at the Prussian Academy of Sciences in Berlin. Nazis also raided his property and burned his books....

In July 1933, upon Einstein’s request, a committee of 51 American artists, intellectuals and political leaders came together to form the International Relief Association. Among them were the philosopher John Dewey, the writer John Dos Passos, and the theologian Reinhold Niebuhr. Other prominent citizens, even including First Lady Eleanor Roosevelt, soon joined the effort.

https://www.rescue.org/article/albert-einsteins-legacy-refugee

The scientists who escaped the Nazis

"My parents were pretty sure this was a one-way journey."

When Gustav Born's family were advised in early 1933 that it was time to leave Nazi-controlled Germany, it was from a good authority. The advice was from Albert Einstein, who told his friend and fellow scientist Max Born to "leave immediately" with his family while they were still able to travel.

The economist William Beveridge had set up the Academic Assistance Council, with the aim of rescuing Jewish and politically vulnerable academics.It was an organisation that would help 1,500 academics escape Germany and continue their research work in safety in Britain. It was quickly backed by academics whose names now read like a row of text books - J B S Haldane, John Maynard Keynes, Ernest Rutherford, G M Trevelyan and the poet A E Housman.

Refugee Nobel Laureates

Nobel prize winners: Prof H A Bethe, Prof M Born, Sir Ernst Chain, Prof M Delbruck, Prof D Gabor, Dr G Herzberg, Prof J Heyrovsky, Sir Bernard Katz, Sir Hans Krebs, Dr F Lipmann, Prof O Loewi, Prof S Luria, Prof S Ochoa, Dr M Perutz, Prof J Polanyi, Prof E Segre

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-23261289

Refugees Fleeing Nazi Germany Reshaped Hollywood.

The look, the sound, and the speech of Hollywood’s Golden Age did not originate in Hollywood. Much of it came from Europe, through the work of successive waves of immigrants during the first half of the 20th century. The last several of those waves brought a group of traumatized artists who were lucky enough to escape Hitler’s death trains and extermination camps. All were antifascists; a few were Communists; most were Jews. These were Hitler’s gift to America — prodigious individuals who enriched the film culture and the intellectual life of our nation, and whose influence continues to resonate. Plenty of writers have explored the ways these refugees, exiles and émigrés managed to escape from Europe. Fewer have told about the Americans who had the courage to take them in. Of those heroic citizens, at the top of the list for her uncompromising conviction and generosity, was a too-often-forgotten screenwriter in Santa Monica named Salka Viertel.

Salka Viertel was a recently naturalized American when Hitler’s war began, having arrived from Berlin on a visitor visa in Hollywood with her husband during one of the earlier waves of emigrating filmmakers, in 1928. She became a proud and grateful U.S. citizen in February of 1939, only months before the official outbreak of war in Europe on Sept. 1 of that year. It was her very Europeanness that had alerted her early on to the growing conflagration across the Atlantic, well before Hitler took power in 1933. She had been raised in a well-heeled Jewish family in a garrison town in Galicia called Sambor, on the fringes of the Austro-Hungarian Empire, where she’d been born in 1889. And she came of age as an actress on the stages of many European cities, most notably Weimar-era Berlin. Long before the advent of National Socialism made anti-Semitism official state policy in Germany, Salka Viertel was quite familiar with its lethal intentions. Thus after 1933 she was extra sympathetic to the attempts of the panicked human beings who began to launch themselves desperately, in any way they could, toward the possibility of safety in America.

https://time.com/5752128/salka-viertel-hollywood-refugees/

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yeah, that's the way to fight fascism Skittles Nov 2024 #1
I'd GTFO of this soon to be shithole if I had anywhere I could go CousinIT Nov 2024 #7
Your comment here bdamomma Nov 2024 #32
True. I am one of them. CousinIT Nov 2024 #37
CousinIT bdamomma Nov 2024 #38
my mum was English Skittles Nov 2024 #71
A lot of countries have retirement visas Farmer-Rick Nov 2024 #77
My family did not fight fascism in Germany edhopper Nov 2024 #19
Do you blame Albert Einstein for fleeing Nazi Germany? Johonny Nov 2024 #25
Why stick around for the Supreme Court to invalidate your marriage meadowlander Nov 2024 #62
If you decided to fight facism orangecrush Nov 2024 #31
Who said they had to fight it? usedtobedemgurl Nov 2024 #34
What does it mean to fight? ck4829 Nov 2024 #40
Tens of thousands of Jewish people left Germany in 1933. Mariana Nov 2024 #41
you are really going to compare ELLEN FUCKING DEGENERES to that Skittles Nov 2024 #73
Yes, I will. Mariana Nov 2024 #75
Fight? They can still vote and lobby for change from anywhere in the world. SaintLouisBlues Nov 2024 #67
Good on Ellen DeGeneres & Cha Nov 2024 #2
And they didn't make a big fuss about it soandso Nov 2024 #3
So Do I.. Mahalo! Right... they Just Did It. Cha Nov 2024 #58
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2024 #24
The way it's going to go here this was the right move for them moniss Nov 2024 #4
The local police, the sheriffs, the state police magicarpet Nov 2024 #51
So the felon gives bdamomma Nov 2024 #59
Ellen did more than most ibegurpard Nov 2024 #5
They're lucky rambler_american Nov 2024 #6
That was my first though... Think. Again. Nov 2024 #8
It's their decision, and they have the means to do so. DFW Nov 2024 #9
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2024 #13
We so very much agree!!! DFW Nov 2024 #14
I'm jealous. I wish we could afford to do that. I wish them both much happiness. Oopsie Daisy Nov 2024 #10
De Rossi has dual US/Aussie citizenship already SomewhereInTheMiddle Nov 2024 #12
My wife and Ibought some land in New Brunswick, CA rambler_american Nov 2024 #11
So sorry Delphinus Nov 2024 #15
Wow bdamomma Nov 2024 #26
Yeah, there is a housing crunch here. Disaffected Nov 2024 #47
Oh I love NH rambler_american Nov 2024 #78
I know bdamomma Nov 2024 #79
Bye. Passages Nov 2024 #16
As I've been saying Bettie Nov 2024 #17
A lot of People are leaving. BBbats Nov 2024 #18
And nothing of value was lost Sympthsical Nov 2024 #20
Some People Have the Means to Move Like That. MineralMan Nov 2024 #21
I think it's a good barometer orangecrush Nov 2024 #30
Maybe. However, they also have the means to reverse the decision. MineralMan Nov 2024 #45
My wife and I visited the Cotswolds back in 1992. Borogove Nov 2024 #22
How the Cotswolds became the billionaires' new playground Celerity Nov 2024 #33
Wow, it sure has changed. Borogove Nov 2024 #46
Thank you, as always, for such fascinating information and images. niyad Nov 2024 #66
Awww. Thanks for that, Niyad. I aways enjoy your posts as well. Celerity Nov 2024 #80
of course bdamomma Nov 2024 #23
Defend what? orangecrush Nov 2024 #28
Okay bdamomma Nov 2024 #36
If you decided to fight facism orangecrush Nov 2024 #42
If you know Jilly_in_VA Nov 2024 #55
Last one to leave please turn out the lights. orangecrush Nov 2024 #27
Hopes may rise on the Grasmere... Prairie Gates Nov 2024 #29
A solution to fascism for the very rich. milestogo Nov 2024 #35
I would not berate Jews orangecrush Nov 2024 #43
I didn't berate anyone. milestogo Nov 2024 #49
"criticize" orangecrush Nov 2024 #53
I sure wouldn't. From the time I was born, my parents were close friends with a family that... Hekate Nov 2024 #74
The not-so-wealthy can walk away or die trying. hunter Nov 2024 #50
Three of my grandparents also left Europe and came to the US for a better life. milestogo Nov 2024 #52
yup Skittles Nov 2024 #72
The Cotswolds are beautiful, though we've never been in winter surfered Nov 2024 #39
I imagine other prominant people will go Marthe48 Nov 2024 #44
The rich can afford to leave, to avoid devastation by the rich. usonian Nov 2024 #48
Post removed Post removed Nov 2024 #54
Women and children first or everyone for themselves? jalan48 Nov 2024 #56
Lots of rumors about Ellen Degeneres MontanaMama Nov 2024 #57
Oh! soandso Nov 2024 #65
Must be nice to have enough money to be allowed to do that Takket Nov 2024 #60
I'd say able not "allowed" soandso Nov 2024 #61
There are stories from pre WW2 Germany and Europe LPBBEAR Nov 2024 #63
Flee, fight, or freeze Cirsium Nov 2024 #64
Wow, the Cotswolds. Good for them. I envy Ilsa Nov 2024 #68
They purchased the home in October before the election. nt Ilsa Nov 2024 #69
Interesting soandso Nov 2024 #70
A lot of Ellen's former employees SocialDemocrat61 Nov 2024 #76
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