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Ilikepurple

(622 posts)
90. You are the one that said it was an issue that the Democratic Party must face, I agree
Sat Nov 23, 2024, 10:47 PM
Nov 2024

I just don’t think there was a ready made response to be had that close to election. I believe the people who voted for Trump because of those ads let the GOP frame that issue. It’s a hypothetical issue, but a real answer has to be based in an understanding of the law and the people’s emotions. That is the civil rights of the undocumented, the imprisoned, and the non-CIS. I’m not protective of ineffective silence. I’m trying to drive the conversation forward from simplistic ineffective solutions that will not erase bias engineered by the GOP. I’m also afraid of what you possibly don’t want to come out and say and that is that trans medical care shouldn’t be made available to undocumented immigrant prisoners. If so, then why? Because they are undocumented? Imprisoned? It’s not a medical issue? You are wrong that prisoners don’t get medical care. How good it is practically is not the legal point. Any affirmative answers to these questions would admit to further limiting the civil rights of these sub groups. I’m not saying they got it right , but the Harris camp had to weigh whether getting in a culture war over this issue would have a net benefit. Like I said before, we have time to come up with a way to positively present the trans community in the coming months or years, but I don’t think mythical trans immigrant prisoner surgeries is the best place to start. I think your ideas of promoting equality and letting each other live our lives will be part of that.
I’ve asked you multiple times what you think should have been said without avail. I think your ideas of promoting equality and letting each other live our lives will be part of that. It’s not clear that I effective speech would be any better or worse than ineffective silence on this particular issue. So many arguments seem to be like position papers. I’m not advocating silence or speaking out. I’m advocating effectiveness. If one is going to tear down a tactic, in this case silence, one should be prepared to move forward in replacing it with something more effective. Ultimately I think those commercials were designed to enflame whatever level bigotry the undecided voters already had to a point to sway voters. Fighting that while providing a legal explanation that would wear out most’s patience or understanding would be a tall order.

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oh so people who are stronger and faster are the problem? I thought that was the point of sports WhiskeyGrinder Nov 2024 #4
By your logic we should just eliminate women's sports entirely. Llewlladdwr Nov 2024 #8
That's what some people keep implying! WhiskeyGrinder Nov 2024 #9
The same reason men still don't get a say about abortion. Llewlladdwr Nov 2024 #10
Men get quite a large say about abortion, actually. WhiskeyGrinder Nov 2024 #12
They can? Polybius Nov 2024 #75
Some trans men can get pregnant and some trans men get abortions. WhiskeyGrinder Nov 2024 #88
THIS!! InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2024 #83
But is this a real issue facing America or the world? newdeal2 Nov 2024 #5
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Individual "women born women" (people give birth to women?) differ "biologically" from each other as well. So? WhiskeyGrinder Nov 2024 #14
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they care more about trans gals in sports Skittles Nov 2024 #7
This message was self-deleted by its author Celerity Nov 2024 #11
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It wouldn't be the first Sundance1220 Nov 2024 #22
Wow SocialDemocrat61 Nov 2024 #41
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Better access to care to support transitioning actually helps this problem better than banning it. meadowlander Nov 2024 #6
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how about we distance ourselves from taxpayer funded senseless wars Skittles Nov 2024 #29
Serious question EnergizedLib Nov 2024 #31
when a country is attacked or invaded, they have the right to strike back Skittles Nov 2024 #33
Gender affirming care is medically necessary!!!! BootOutTheGoons Nov 2024 #36
100%... how do people not see this?! InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2024 #85
There are no doctors anywhere that perform gender affirming surgery on minors. meadowlander Nov 2024 #32
Thank you for this information LearnedHand Nov 2024 #37
That is not true - gender affirming surgeries are performed on minors HereForTheParty Nov 2024 #61
And some people get abortions in Week 40 - meadowlander Nov 2024 #62
"There are no doctors anywhere that perform gender affirming surgery on minors." HereForTheParty Nov 2024 #63
Fine. meadowlander Nov 2024 #64
can't they just get it done at school?????!!!!!!?????? Meadowoak Nov 2024 #76
THIS! Texasgal Nov 2024 #98
Can you provide a source for this information? Iris Nov 2024 #94
The vast, vast majority of these surgeries are performed on cis teens. They're chest/breast reductions. WhiskeyGrinder Nov 2024 #67
Any surgery on any minor requires the consent of parents or legal guardians already . . . markpkessinger Nov 2024 #39
Like abortion? nt kelly1mm Nov 2024 #56
Okay, so you've named the ONE legal exception regarding consent to surgery for minors . . . markpkessinger Nov 2024 #66
Abortion isn't surgery and in some states minors are required to get parental consent. WhiskeyGrinder Nov 2024 #68
Apparently not proactively taking a runny dump all over TheKentuckian Nov 2024 #20
Trump campaigned on it iemanja Nov 2024 #45
Yes exboyfil Nov 2024 #73
This negates what I said how exactly? TheKentuckian Nov 2024 #91
You seem to assume talking about the iemanja Nov 2024 #92
An excellent post equating trans rights to reproductive rights devolves into a RW-framed shouting match?? LearnedHand Nov 2024 #24
notice they did not respond to me Skittles Nov 2024 #25
I noticed that! LearnedHand Nov 2024 #26
agreed Skittles Nov 2024 #27
This has been DU every day since the election BootOutTheGoons Nov 2024 #28
seeing so-called progressives fall for such blatant rightwing trash is very disturbing indeed Skittles Nov 2024 #30
I'm convinced they want to fall for it BootOutTheGoons Nov 2024 #38
propaganda works on a lot of people Skittles Nov 2024 #46
Yes it does BootOutTheGoons Nov 2024 #48
You're right, and it's ugly LearnedHand Nov 2024 #40
It's not the fault of transpeople iemanja Nov 2024 #42
It's been implied here regularly since the election BootOutTheGoons Nov 2024 #43
That is not the same as blaming transpeople iemanja Nov 2024 #44
Tell that to the trans people here who feel like they're being blamed BootOutTheGoons Nov 2024 #47
Are you prepared to allow the GOP remain in power permanetly iemanja Nov 2024 #49
Say what? BootOutTheGoons Nov 2024 #50
NO, it's the fault of the party iemanja Nov 2024 #51
I never said it was the fault of the party BootOutTheGoons Nov 2024 #53
I said it's the fault of the party iemanja Nov 2024 #57
AOC is showing why she's the new generation of progressive Democratic leaders we need to lead us forward. InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2024 #79
I think the idea was to ignore it hoping that the messaging would fall flat for some demographics Ilikepurple Nov 2024 #55
He spent half of his ad budget in those states on those ads for a reason iemanja Nov 2024 #59
Since you're going to live on this hill so what is the message you want? Ilikepurple Nov 2024 #65
Indeed, the GOP controlled the messaging on many if not all issues iemanja Nov 2024 #69
Here is how AOC addressed Nancy Mace's bullshit iemanja Nov 2024 #71
AOC nails it... as usual!! InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2024 #80
I think this is a good response, but how does that apply to the trans immigrant prisoner issue? Ilikepurple Nov 2024 #86
There isn't a trans undocumented prisoner issue iemanja Nov 2024 #89
You are the one that said it was an issue that the Democratic Party must face, I agree Ilikepurple Nov 2024 #90
Why are you fixated on a problem that doesn't exist? iemanja Nov 2024 #93
I'm not fixated on a problem that doesn't exist, but rights that may exist whether exercised or not Ilikepurple Nov 2024 #95
I just found out iemanja Nov 2024 #96
Even though we have been disagreeing somewhat, I've enjoyed our exchange. Ilikepurple Nov 2024 #97
Likewise iemanja Nov 2024 #99
I stands with trans... to blame them is disgraceful!! InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2024 #78
I suspect Harris's campaign likely thought a response would only make it worse karynnj Nov 2024 #100
For me it's the dismissive way this is often framed as "Kamala lost because of "the trans thing"." meadowlander Nov 2024 #52
taxpayers don't fund fertility treatments, abortion, or even obesity, from what I am aware iemanja Nov 2024 #54
Military personnel can access Ozempic, gastric bypass surgery, Viagra, and some fertility treaments. meadowlander Nov 2024 #60
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You got that right LearnedHand Nov 2024 #35
lol WOW this thread WhiskeyGrinder Nov 2024 #58
This may be a DU record for Post Removed underpants Nov 2024 #84
A divisive issue, to be sure. Patton French Nov 2024 #87
What in the name of Godzilla happened?!?!?!?!?! Coventina Nov 2024 #70
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"Trans voice that will not be silenced." JoseBalow Nov 2024 #77
I'm with YOU!! InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2024 #82
This saddens me. InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 2024 #81
Wow Polybius Nov 2024 #101
This basically just talks about how Republicans have been controlling the narrative oldmanlynn Nov 2024 #102
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