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mr715

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13. We lost

Tue Nov 26, 2024, 02:09 PM

Nov 26

because we didn't understand the electorate.

There is no sugarcoating a popular vote loss. That it is under 50% is a little solace, but we lost TO a rapist liar.

We need to own that -- we lost to the most loathsome figure in American politics. We need to figure out a message that trumps Trump.

Vice President Harris raised a lot of money. A lot of my money for that matter!

HRC raised a lot of money.

Money doesn't win Democrats elections. My spider sense tells me only charismatic orators can.

MR

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We lost because the corporate, wealthy owned Media in this country sane washed a lying child rapiest, failed [View all] rainy Nov 26 OP

Shhh JustAnotherGen Nov 26 #1

We do need young white men. We had a big "Tech Bro" problem this cycle Bluetus Nov 26 #47

Elon was busy radicalizing young white men GoreWon2000 Nov 27 #84

A lot of them bought crypto and/or TSLA stock Bluetus Nov 27 #98

White anglo men don't want to give up their power GoreWon2000 Nov 27 #99

I'm really talking about wannabe tech bros Bluetus Nov 27 #102

This is about maintaining white, anglo male power GoreWon2000 Nov 29 #103

I don't think we disagree at all Bluetus Nov 29 #108

"Tech bros" only a small portion of the white anglo male electorate GoreWon2000 Nov 29 #110

No argument on that. But tech bros are the canary in the mine shaft, so to speak Bluetus Nov 29 #111

Young, white men in general are voting to maintain the white male power structure GoreWon2000 Nov 30 #114

Again, I don't think we disagree about any of this. Bluetus Nov 30 #116

You still don't understand GoreWon2000 Nov 30 #117

The "tech bros" aren't the only ones Elon has radicallized GoreWon2000 Nov 29 #105

I totally agree, the fourth estate completely failed us. And I used to work for a newspaper. Walleye Nov 26 #2

Journalism died on 12/12/2000 Charging Triceratops Nov 27 #76

When Felon-47 claimed schools were changing kids' genders ... Charging Triceratops Nov 27 #77

2000 was the worst media Presidential campaign coverage in my lifetime GoreWon2000 Nov 27 #86

The media failed, and I think it's time to start complaining about everything the media says/has said/not said ck4829 Nov 26 #3

Time to start complaining is way past. It's time to boycott the msm and all cable channels including msnbc PortTack Nov 26 #12

Already started. c-rational Nov 26 #15

Yes, boycott cable & Directv Felicita Nov 26 #22

I was already doing that after 2016 😐 Blue_Tires Nov 26 #51

Haven't watched cable news since November 5th kimbutgar Nov 26 #57

Right there with you... cable news is a colossal failure!! InAbLuEsTaTe Nov 27 #70

Yes, the best way to complain is to turn all of them off. When we turn them on, it's financial support. Magoo48 Nov 27 #74

Democrats failed to build progressive media bikes and bunnies Nov 26 #33

No argument from me there ck4829 Nov 26 #35

Advertisers won't sponsor progressive media meow2u3 Nov 26 #58

They? Lulu KC Nov 26 #66

they refers to the advertisers.nt. drray23 Nov 27 #75

They failed us. They didn't fail in their mission to shill for their billionaire owners. hvn_nbr_2 Nov 26 #37

Then, they can blame their failure on "social media". kentuck Nov 26 #4

And now the cable news is in serious trouble! True Blue American Nov 26 #5

Also about 36% of the country's voting-eligible population, did not vote in the 2024 general election. nt yaesu Nov 26 #6

Not totally. Lunabell Nov 26 #7

I still think the media would have interpreted and manipulated whatever we put out there to make us look bad and the rainy Nov 26 #9

Oh yes. No doubt the corporate media played a big role. Lunabell Nov 26 #11

The entire campaign theme was joy. jimfields33 Nov 27 #78

The media has always been mindful of what people want to hear and bends to it to some degree. dutch777 Nov 26 #8

We've lost the money war, and quite possibly forever calguy Nov 26 #10

It wasnt grass roots IbogaProject Nov 26 #18

we should have public funded campaigns that are allowed to last only a few months. No outside, wealth influence rainy Nov 26 #21

Yeah. progressoid Nov 26 #54

We lost mr715 Nov 26 #13

What's this "we" talk ck4829 Nov 26 #23

Isn't Biden President? mr715 Nov 26 #26

Democratic money can't penetrate the rw media Felicita Nov 26 #25

If money can't mr715 Nov 26 #27

People watch what they want to watch Kaleva Nov 26 #39

They lost a huge chunk after admitting Biden won. Self Esteem Nov 30 #118

Faux News is the tip of the iceberg of the problem GoreWon2000 Nov 27 #87

Yup! johnnyplankton Nov 26 #14

Want the country back? LilElf70 Nov 26 #16

As long we're playing the blame game..... BarbD Nov 26 #17

True Story Cosmocat Nov 26 #19

Agree with you, 1000%. Thank you. (nt) Paladin Nov 26 #20

Yes, the media played a big part, but never forget the treachery of Merrick Garland. lark Nov 26 #24

Garland clearly dragged his feet GoreWon2000 Nov 27 #88

Exactly KT2000 Nov 26 #28

We here talked about Trump more then Biden Kaleva Nov 26 #40

Yes! KT2000 Nov 26 #48

FDR should have let capitalism die Farmer-Rick Nov 26 #29

I'm leaning this way as well. harumph Nov 26 #45

Well said Farmer-Rick Nov 26 #55

I think the Biden economy will keep the country going for three years. jimfields33 Nov 27 #81

Trump's ruinous tariffs will kill the Biden economy GoreWon2000 Nov 27 #89

I doubt trump does the teriffs. jimfields33 Nov 27 #90

I disagree GoreWon2000 Nov 27 #91

He pre signed them? jimfields33 Nov 27 #92

He announced it on social media GoreWon2000 Nov 27 #93

I'll have to see him do it. jimfields33 Nov 27 #94

No offese but I think you're being very nieve GoreWon2000 Nov 27 #95

I probably am. But I hope your wrong and he decides not to go 25 percent. jimfields33 Nov 27 #100

His racist hate will take him to 25% against Mexico GoreWon2000 Nov 29 #104

Well of course he's never going to deport every migrant Farmer-Rick Nov 27 #101

The plan is to GoreWon2000 Nov 29 #106

I try to be optimistic. jimfields33 Nov 29 #109

It's time for you to face reality GoreWon2000 Nov 30 #115

You continue to be dangerously GoreWon2000 Nov 29 #107

And Social Media. markodochartaigh Nov 26 #30

right talking heads evilhime Nov 26 #31

Worse, they still insist on sanewashing the entire GOP, even after the last 8 years... Karasu Nov 26 #32

And a press that still lables Figarosmom Nov 26 #34

+10000 BigDemVoter Nov 26 #36

Second time they got him elected due to non-stop free coverage. Made the media execs lotsa money...nt Evolve Dammit Nov 26 #56

And watching a few minutes of cable news today.... spanone Nov 26 #38

Time to change strategies Rightstopper Nov 26 #41

Agree completely. Thank you! Hope22 Nov 26 #42

The real problem? Aussie105 Nov 26 #43

Right you are and the attack on the media must be sustained, prolonged and moniss Nov 26 #44

yeppers. and I still see our peeps posting MSM reporting and opinions from the very same source who backed TSF and his msfiddlestix Nov 26 #46

Has anyone read Arthur C. Clark's "Childhood's End"? GiqueCee Nov 26 #49

Been saying his exact thing for years RANDYWILDMAN Nov 26 #50

I believe many people have been conditioned over the last few decades to be more comfortable having their news, and Uncle Joe Nov 26 #52

wealthy owned Media republianmushroom Nov 26 #53

I think Harris lost because because nearly 7 million who voted for Biden in 2020 elocs Nov 26 #59

Silly me. czarjak Nov 26 #62

Yes, you are. elocs Nov 27 #72

As I have said nitpicked Nov 27 #83

Yup. Refuse to watch any of them. Watch Meidas Touch, Harry Litman, etc. on Youtube. F'em all! Joinfortmill Nov 26 #60

The Media for the most part did what it did the last time and provided the bulk of the Trump's campaign free PR. cstanleytech Nov 26 #61

Telecommunications Act of 1996 Rigpa108 Nov 26 #63

Russia hired Influencers AncientOfDays Nov 26 #64

Definitely. markodochartaigh Nov 27 #68

You call him a child rapist? Surely he attended all those Jeffrey Epstein parties just for the food. tclambert Nov 26 #65

I Often Wondered Why Harris Didn't Run A Bunch Of Ads DallasNE Nov 26 #67

BUH-BUH-BUH-BUH-BUT Uncle Bernie sez the Democrats abandoned the woyking class!!! Montauk6 Nov 27 #69

We lost because the oligarchs heard someone say 'tax the rich; make them pay their fair share!' Conjuay Nov 27 #71

True but DownriverDem Nov 27 #73

IMO most Americans don't have the attention span of a six-year-old nitpicked Nov 27 #79

Corporate bullshit news seldom passes my front door. chouchou Nov 27 #80

What upsets me about it is that it wasn't just him. They did it to all of his goons. OldBaldy1701E Nov 27 #82

This really isn't a new problem GoreWon2000 Nov 27 #85

IMHO, Kam lost because the majority of Americans only care about a income tax cut. n/t Jacson6 Nov 27 #96

I strongly disagree. It was the right wing media that influenced Trump voters. The MSM reported on all of Trump's Martin68 Nov 27 #97

Actually the MEDIA failed quite ON PURPOSE. If a result of an action was achieved, it is not a failure. msfiddlestix Nov 29 #112

You mean M$Greedia sided with the billionaires? malaise Nov 29 #113

Not really. Self Esteem Nov 30 #119