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lapfog_1

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51. that one is easy

Sat Nov 30, 2024, 01:34 AM

Nov 30

they didn't have the source or binary code worked out in the 2020 election. They have the code now. There is plenty of evidence that voting and tabulating machines were turned over to GOP operatives last time Trump was in power.

It is a easy step from there to "cozy bear" hackers reverse engineering the code... and coming up with methods of hacking that will NOT leave a trace. Easy but time consuming.

No one will ever "prove" it happened. Other than disparity in polling and election results... and things like the OP points out.. split tickets and even "bullet tickets" ( which might be true or might not... I have never seen a verified authoritative count one way or the other... despite all the the assertions it is all baloney spread here ). If I was doing the hack... I would do it JUST ENOUGH to give Trump the win... by like 1.5% or maybe 2% and enough in the swing states to assure an electoral college win. I wouldn't do very many "bullet ballots" as they look suspect on the face of it. And I would do it in a way that cannot be traced by any means other than what we do not do... hand count paper ballots and hand tabulate those all the way to the state level... done 3 times by dedicated teams... one from Democrats, one from Republicans, and one from Independents.

And we make the entire country wait a week after the election to announce the vote. oh, and we crack down on voting challenges and vote suppression.

but never mind me... I'm just an old hacker. And expert computer scientist.

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So many down-ballot candidates outperforming Harris shows ... the fix was in [View all] Charging Triceratops Nov 29 OP

Kooky nonsense Fiendish Thingy Nov 29 #1

Agree SCantiGOP Nov 29 #3

Never underestimate the ability of Democrats to be smug and complacent. elocs Dec 2 #170

Why is it kooky to suspect a criminal of committing crimes? bikes and bunnies Nov 29 #21

Except there's no evidence those elections were stolen EdmondDantes_ Nov 29 #26

that one is easy lapfog_1 Nov 30 #51

The thing we know for certain is, no people counted the votes, machines did questionseverything Nov 30 #53

You do realize that the polls were highly accurate right? EdmondDantes_ Nov 30 #69

I do not have a theory lapfog_1 Nov 30 #84

You're making too much sense Dem4life1234 Nov 30 #86

I tried posting Stephen Spoonamore's Duty to Warn letter Loupe Garoue Nov 30 #94

You are well aware the spoon guy is a proven liar. Why continue to spread his disinformation? tritsofme Nov 30 #96

Where was he proven to be a liar? Loupe Garoue Nov 30 #97

His bullet ballot "hypothesis" is a proven lie. It is mathematically impossible. tritsofme Nov 30 #99

That was an initial theory Loupe Garoue Nov 30 #100

It wasn't a mistake, he is a con-artist. It's a shame people are that gullible. tritsofme Nov 30 #102

Except that many other experts in cybersecurity agree enough to write to Harris. Loupe Garoue Nov 30 #104

Clicks. Internet fame. Maybe some rubes will give him money. tritsofme Nov 30 #106

Now where's YOUR evidence? ElementaryPenguin Nov 30 #127

Given that spoon guy has already lied and made nakedly false claims, I think it is fair to question his motives. tritsofme Nov 30 #131

Do you understand how elections are conducted? LiberalFighter Nov 30 #121

Explain how manipulating paper ballots would be difficult if no one is allowed to actually count them questionseverything Nov 30 #126

Post election audits Abnredleg Nov 30 #130

If they don't hand count the entire county mistakes maybe hidden questionseverything Nov 30 #133

The audit is open to the public Abnredleg Nov 30 #135

You and I will never agree, I believe in publicly countering at least the top two races questionseverything Nov 30 #141

I believe in hand counting the paper receipts Hope22 Nov 30 #146

Most people vote with paper ballots Abnredleg Nov 30 #149

Why are the insults necessary ? questionseverything Nov 30 #150

What insult? Abnredleg Nov 30 #154

And some precincts will include a hand count. LiberalFighter Nov 30 #162

There are no insiders involved in the counting as you suggest. LiberalFighter Nov 30 #161

Ballots are not counted by one person or political party LiberalFighter Nov 30 #160

And they include members of both political parties LiberalFighter Nov 30 #159

You think it isn't done. LiberalFighter Nov 30 #158

How can you get evidence without an investigation? Lunabell Nov 30 #95

While you're distracted with evidence free CT's Fiendish Thingy Nov 29 #29

Thank you! Dem4life1234 Nov 30 #77

The percents are from different populations karynnj Nov 30 #90

a whole lot of low post count accounts seem pretty intent on stirring up arguments over this nonsense. Takket Nov 29 #23

Yup Fiendish Thingy Nov 29 #30

Yeah, because you know better, right? Charging Triceratops Nov 30 #75

Indeed Stuckinthebush Nov 30 #63

They've always been here The Revolution Nov 30 #88

True. I remember those days Stuckinthebush Nov 30 #93

Check out Romanian elections/ Russia delisen Nov 30 #82

No ElementaryPenguin Nov 30 #125

Yeah throwing out campaign finance laws would do that ColinC Nov 29 #2

I think you're on to something. I still don't believe trump won all the swing states. brush Nov 29 #4

If the swing states had red governors, I'd agree. jimfields33 Nov 29 #27

Do you think the governor is overseeing the voting machines or the reporting page? questionseverything Nov 30 #54

In Michigan, Dems control the Governor, Sec. of State, and AG offices MichMan Nov 30 #68

And china hasn't hacked the NSA? questionseverything Nov 30 #73

Right, it doesn't compute. Something seems off. brush Nov 30 #85

I still can't figure out how some people in Wisconsin voted for Tammy Baldwin and Donald Trump. milestogo Nov 29 #42

What evidence do you have that "tens of thousands" of Wisconsin voters voted for Baldwin and Trump? onenote Nov 30 #49

I worked the polls. I know Dems, Repukes, Libertarians and Independents Charging Triceratops Nov 30 #76

I could understand a Trump/Casey vote by a PA Catholic who karynnj Nov 30 #129

Yes, voting for Balwin and Harris seems far more likely than Baldwin and trump, that does not compute to me. brush Nov 30 #83

Thank you yellow dahlia Nov 30 #144

In 2 elections, you have 4 candidates. You're ignoring that Baldwin beat a nobody muriel_volestrangler Dec 1 #168

Eric Hovde spent $100 million on this race. milestogo Dec 1 #169

Candidate choice matters dsc Nov 29 #5

Totally agree. He told us over and over how he was going to do it...because he said that's what the democrats did to him BComplex Nov 29 #6

We lost the Senate, didn't make any gain in governorships Kaleva Nov 29 #7

It's worth looking in to. Lunabell Nov 29 #8

Wisconsin is less than 30,000 votes difference questionseverything Nov 30 #55

Look at what the results were in the 2016 Wisconsin recount for comparison MichMan Nov 30 #67

Wisconsin doesn't do hand counts even for recounts questionseverything Nov 30 #132

Surely, you have an example of a previous hand count in an entire state that flipped 30,000 votes then. MichMan Nov 30 #140

The sc stopped the count in Florida but when the ballots were looked at questionseverything Nov 30 #142

Time's a wastin' with the deadline for certification coming up in a few weeks. MichMan Nov 30 #156

I tend to agree... Think. Again. Nov 29 #9

The government just recently announced china has hacked into the nsa network questionseverything Nov 30 #56

Yep. Think. Again. Nov 30 #60

More likely her color Henry203 Nov 29 #10

Slow down, there, Sparky! PSPS Nov 29 #11

I've wondered if Harris being a black woman might've led lots of inattentive voters to the conclusion... Beartracks Nov 29 #16

When I saw that "did Biden drop out"... I was like...wtf?! electric_blue68 Nov 29 #28

And Oswald acted alone Charging Triceratops Nov 30 #78

What harm could come out of recounting swing state ballots? Blue Owl Nov 29 #12

No harm should come of it, but some feel it would make us look "silly". hadEnuf Nov 29 #14

Better to look irresponsible!!!! Hope22 Nov 30 #122

Yikes! Is that the new conspiracy theory now? That Harris does not endorse these ridiculous fantasies only because tritsofme Nov 30 #124

Seriously what is with the conspiracy crap. Hope22 Nov 30 #153

This message was self-deleted by its author tritsofme Dec 1 #165

Say it once again...... Hope22 Dec 1 #166

This message was self-deleted by its author tritsofme Dec 1 #167

None at all Meowmee Nov 29 #19

They already do extensive post election audits Abnredleg Nov 30 #136

Not what is needed imo and no forensic investigation of software Meowmee Nov 30 #138

Most people vote with paper Abnredleg Nov 30 #157

No harm other than it costs tens of millions of dollars MichMan Nov 29 #20

You think saving our Democracy isn't worth "pissing away" some money??? Think. Again. Nov 29 #35

No, donors should not be exploited to placate conspiracy theory mongers. tritsofme Nov 30 #98

Verifying first-counts of extremely important and complex election results is not a waste of anything. Think. Again. Nov 30 #105

Then why has Harris not pursued this path? Why is Harris not seeking such recounts? tritsofme Nov 30 #107

You would have to ask her. Think. Again. Nov 30 #108

Nope. I don't have to ask her once or even twice to know that she has no interest in these goofy conspiracy theories. tritsofme Nov 30 #109

That's quite an assumption to make about what a sitting VP and Presidential candidate is thinking about. Think. Again. Nov 30 #112

No, it's actually not. As they say, actions speak louder than words. tritsofme Nov 30 #114

You've read quite a bit into her silence. Think. Again. Nov 30 #118

lol, you're right, maybe she is just waiting for the right moment to pounce and embrace all the goofiness? tritsofme Nov 30 #120

Frankly, when I think of the 2 conniving jamokes involed here - I can't think of anything BUT skulduggery! Peregrine Took Nov 30 #128

By federal law ballots and all election related materials must be kept for 22 months questionseverything Nov 30 #57

I agree: Hand Recount! bikes and bunnies Nov 29 #22

Ohhh, mannnn. I REMEMBER that. I was Devastated.... electric_blue68 Nov 29 #32

And Al Gore actually WON after the count was finished! Clouds Passing Nov 29 #43

😥 electric_blue68 Nov 29 #44

But let's move on, that was in the past, no need to revisit, it's over forget about it..... Clouds Passing Nov 30 #70

What was the original difference in votes? Kaleva Nov 30 #46

partially true but not as simple as you make it out: Wiz Imp Nov 30 #65

No harm at all and easy to do. egduj Nov 29 #25

Cool, that seems like a good deal to save our Democracy! Think. Again. Nov 29 #36

There's an idiom for that. egduj Nov 29 #41

Yes, if we were 100% sure the first-count outcome was correct, but without double-checking, that's impossible. Think. Again. Nov 29 #45

How much have you donated so far for a recount? Kaleva Nov 30 #47

You're correct, I DO actually believe this is a shared responsibility. Think. Again. Nov 30 #58

Well, if the election was slightly stolen, then we don't have to wait for the ... planetc Nov 29 #13

Yes! Think. Again. Nov 29 #38

Amen. Of paper ballots. planetc Nov 30 #74

Agreed! yellow dahlia Nov 30 #151

The shameful sexist racist ppl in this country brought us this...it really is that simple! PortTack Nov 29 #15

While I'm not certain that there wasn't some skullduggery Racism AND Sexism most likely played the bigger parts electric_blue68 Nov 29 #33

What was the undervote in swing states? The Wizard Nov 29 #17

Don't know... Think. Again. Nov 29 #39

How much have you spent? Kaleva Nov 30 #48

Yes, I have donated to the Harris/Walz (and other Blue) campaigns. Think. Again. Nov 30 #59

According to the Harris campaign website, donations under $41,300 are all allocated to the DNC, not towards a recount. MichMan Nov 30 #61

Oh, don't thank me, I did not donate a very large amount and... Think. Again. Nov 30 #66

In Wisconsin, it was slightly less than 1 percent. onenote Nov 30 #50

The voting and counting machines used in many states were made by the company ES&S spike jones Nov 29 #18

We were robed!!! Bonx Nov 29 #24

I agree the election was rigged with the help of the muskrat. kimbutgar Nov 29 #31

"I don't need your votes. I have plenty of votes." - tsf rubbersole Nov 29 #34

Down ballot candidates had a more intimate and frequently longer connection to voters than Kamala. dutch777 Nov 29 #37

Don't even blame Kamala here Dem4life1234 Nov 30 #110

I don't blame Kamala. Given a waaaayyy late start she kept it positive and acquitted herself well. Hind sight.... dutch777 Dec 1 #163

BS Groundhawg Nov 29 #40

Alrighty then...... But thanks for the Felon47 hashtag - I'll be using that GoneOffShore Nov 30 #52

Using the same logic, couldn't someone make the claim that it was actually the down ballot candidates that cheated? n/t MichMan Nov 30 #62

Don't start bringing logic into it. It will just confuse the conspiracy theorists. Wiz Imp Nov 30 #64

I'm always in favor of citizens doing hand counts in an open, transparent manner questionseverything Nov 30 #137

Study done at Rice University showed hand counts were correct only 58% of the time MichMan Nov 30 #145

Now you are talking about the toilet paper rolls added to the dres questionseverything Nov 30 #147

Why would anyone believe an academic study with scientific methodology over a wacky conspiracy theory, right ? MichMan Nov 30 #148

Stats for the "So many down-ballot candidates outperforming Harris", please muriel_volestrangler Nov 30 #71

Stop. Fucking stop it. JFC, stop it with the red hat conspiracy theories. themaguffin Nov 30 #72

The only thing I question is what happened when they had the bomb threats Tribetime Nov 30 #79

...and I believe some of those polling places did not reopen. yellow dahlia Nov 30 #152

I'm starting to think the real trolls Charging Triceratops Nov 30 #80

Please explain your thread title about down ballot wins muriel_volestrangler Nov 30 #101

They "did it" by controlling the media and the narrative. dawg Nov 30 #81

How do you explain ticket splitting before? ibegurpard Nov 30 #87

Nonsense karynnj Nov 30 #89

If the fix was in why did the exit polls largely mirror the actual results? DemocratSinceBirth Nov 30 #91

Are the down-ballot candidates mostly white and male? RandomNumbers Nov 30 #92

It shows some people did not want to vote for a Black woman. RandySF Nov 30 #103

I'm seeing the people don't want to vote for a black woman stuff on here Dem4life1234 Nov 30 #111

Lots of Trumpers still think there was tampering in 2020, it doesn't make it true. tritsofme Nov 30 #113

Trumpers lack logic Dem4life1234 Nov 30 #117

Except there has been no valid reasoning, it has been exclusively baseless conspiracy theories, exactly like Trumpers. tritsofme Nov 30 #119

Go Watch "The Great Hack" MrWowWow Nov 30 #115

lol this happened in 2020 with Trump. Self Esteem Nov 30 #116

Why be afraid to recount? Hope22 Nov 30 #123

Did you care about recounts in 2020? Self Esteem Nov 30 #143

I have been singing this same tune, over and over. yellow dahlia Nov 30 #134

I remember him saying: "We don't need your votes. We have plenty of votes." N/t CousinIT Nov 30 #139

And we know he always means what he says. Hope22 Nov 30 #155

True the Vote (plus the checkbook of Elon Musk) Kid Berwyn Dec 1 #164