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Self Esteem

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5. Women shifted to Trump too.

Sat Nov 30, 2024, 06:21 PM

Nov 30

Biden won women 57-42 in 2020.

Harris won them 53-45.

She did worse than Hillary too.

So, maybe the same problems that led to a shift among male voters also led to that shift among women voters. Might not be smart to just outright dismiss everything you don't like.

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"But What About the Menzzzzzz?????" is the anguished cry after this travesty of an election. [View all] niyad Nov 30 OP

Yes, there is one major issue that is confronting today's young male. OldBaldy1701E Nov 30 #1

This! Dem4life1234 Nov 30 #7

And try retiring as a woman. Hope22 Nov 30 #9

Totally agree with your post. Lazzzzzzzzzy menzzzzzzzzz. Trueblue1968 Nov 30 #31

That was a perfect description of the husband I divorced in 1985 kimbutgar Dec 1 #76

So glad Dem4life1234 Dec 1 #82

Your first hubby sounds like mine, but I divorced his ass finally and I have a good guy as my life partner now. CTyankee Dec 1 #95

During that marriage my Mother always reminded me to take birth control so I wouldn't get pregnant and kimbutgar Dec 1 #104

There's a lot more to it than that EdmondDantes_ Nov 30 #32

I'm quite sure that... GiqueCee Dec 1 #40

You are a man of quality. Thank you. Timeflyer Dec 1 #41

Even if you want to just ignore them, they get to vote too EdmondDantes_ Dec 1 #74

I never said I'd ignore them... GiqueCee Dec 10 #136

Basically speaking azureblue Dec 1 #53

These are imagines are pushed by a predominate white "man-o-sphere" that *MIS*defines what it means to be a man uponit7771 Dec 1 #55

Well, I never said it was dismissed or that it was easy. OldBaldy1701E Dec 2 #123

This country needs more good jobs! get the red out Dec 2 #128

Yep, equity feels like oppression to the privileged uponit7771 Dec 1 #54

May they live their lives in celibacy, or as close to it as possible... Evolve Dammit Nov 30 #2

And they won't have porn to fap to Dem4life1234 Nov 30 #16

Good luck with tackling a multi-billion dollar industry. And they're all jerk-offs so it won't happen... Johnson & Son Evolve Dammit Nov 30 #17

sure they will. like anything else that's misdirection. quakerboy Dec 1 #63

What blighted futures? Demobrat Nov 30 #3

The bottom 50% of available men are basically unable to date IbogaProject Nov 30 #14

Sucks being them. So sad, too bad. Evolve Dammit Nov 30 #18

I get Trumpsters trying to "friend" me on Facebook that I say I don't date men who obviously have no respect for women. kerry-is-my-prez Dec 2 #125

Okay. So women no longer have to settle for ugly, stupid, abusive men, Demobrat Nov 30 #20

THIS !!! The divorce rate is nearly ***half*** of what it was 24 years ago!! uponit7771 Dec 1 #56

I'm curious where you get your numbers quakerboy Dec 1 #65

50% was just made up IbogaProject Dec 1 #77

I don't think so. malthaussen Dec 1 #68

"What about us" indeed RandomNumbers Nov 30 #4

Women shifted to Trump too. Self Esteem Nov 30 #5

There are some women Dem4life1234 Nov 30 #8

Mind-boggling. Centuries of subjugation?? Sad in any case. Stronger together. Evolve Dammit Nov 30 #19

Again, maybe asking why the shift occurred is needed to make sure it doesn't happen again. Self Esteem Nov 30 #21

A "quality" man will not be interested in these women. kerry-is-my-prez Dec 2 #126

Nobody actually knows the ratios there, it's just a MODEL used by the exit polling people to MATCH the totals lostnfound Nov 30 #12

It's easy to dismiss things as BS that we don't want to hear. Self Esteem Nov 30 #22

I no longer trust the polls. The more votes get counted, the narrower the margin of Trump's "win" gets Hekate Nov 30 #15

It's easy to not trust reality. Self Esteem Nov 30 #23

Racism isn't only a male thing. nt RandomNumbers Nov 30 #26

It's lazy to just say racism is why Harris lost. Self Esteem Nov 30 #28

It's not lazy, nor offered as the only explanation. RandomNumbers Nov 30 #29

The claim is lazy. Self Esteem Dec 1 #37

You created the claim you wanted to dismiss. You alone added the "only" part. Hermit-The-Prog Dec 1 #94

When that's the 'only' argument the poster is using to explain why Harris lost... Self Esteem Dec 1 #111

Don't call me "friend." You have no credibility with me. Hermit-The-Prog Dec 2 #121

I don't want credibility from someone who clearly selective reads. Self Esteem Dec 2 #132

Interesting dodge dpibel Dec 1 #109

The whole argument is a dodge. Self Esteem Dec 1 #110

Now, that's counter-factual. malthaussen Dec 1 #66

Racism did have an impact Henry203 Dec 1 #84

I know it's not kosher to say it.... Trueblue Texan Nov 30 #27

Agreed! niyad Dec 1 #71

Yessir, I believe it. Add a compliant & corrupt SCOTUS to the ungodly stew, and there you have it. Hekate Dec 1 #89

Trump handily won the "white" woman vote. Littlered Nov 30 #35

This is an incomplete argument. Self Esteem Dec 1 #38

In the swing states the black movement towards Trump was miniscule at best save Wisconsin uponit7771 Dec 1 #59

This isn't true. Self Esteem Dec 1 #112

There were seven swing states not one uponit7771 Dec 1 #115

lol did you forget your own post? You literally said there was a miniscule change in all but one (WI). Self Esteem Dec 1 #117

Please source your info, here's what I got from swing states results from AJ (link) uponit7771 Dec 1 #118

Here you go. Self Esteem Dec 2 #120

No, you're surprised they voted against what you believe to be their best interests. malthaussen Dec 1 #67

Shortly after the election, I saw some woman on MSNBC just flatly say "We need those women to vote THE RIGHT WAY" Midwestern Democrat Dec 1 #116

Nah Littlered Dec 2 #119

Not black women, wanted to make sure to highlight that. uponit7771 Dec 1 #58

So, about the Menz - to me it is like white people griping about RandomNumbers Nov 30 #6

If conservative men see America as a meritocracy Beckett Nov 30 #11

Yep, equity looks like oppression to the privileged uponit7771 Dec 1 #61

You do know it was Asians who sue to stop jimfields33 Dec 1 #79

Allan Bakke was Asian? dpibel Dec 1 #108

"...destroyed by the insane results of this election..." J_William_Ryan Nov 30 #10

Continues, and is accelerating. niyad Dec 1 #50

If women all cared and voted they wouldn't be able to do it. onecaliberal Nov 30 #13

Apparently a lot of white women are upset that their feckless sons... hunter Dec 1 #69

Exactly. onecaliberal Dec 1 #70

It's about losing the veneer Trish6521 Nov 30 #24

You're not wrong, but possibly incomplete. malthaussen Dec 1 #72

What "traditional roles"? Very few women stay out of the labor force these days. valleyrogue Dec 1 #81

You can label it whatever you please. malthaussen Dec 1 #88

I'm a woman who never married or had kids, Demobrat Dec 1 #91

It's brainwashing. Most of them learn the hard way that no man "takes care of them." valleyrogue Dec 1 #97

Working is hard. Most jobs, especially entry level jobs, suck. Demobrat Dec 1 #107

"brainwashing" is too facile a term, IMO. malthaussen Dec 1 #114

What "accepted roles" and by whom? valleyrogue Dec 1 #98

That is exactly the question. malthaussen Dec 1 #113

and a big issue with those insecure males Skittles Dec 1 #102

A catalyst BumRushDaShow Nov 30 #25

My thought was maybe too many menzz don't pay enough attention, so that a campaign by a woman... Beartracks Nov 30 #30

I will never understand why men don't seem to get Demobrat Nov 30 #33

So very true. niyad Dec 1 #49

Toby Keith - I Wanna Talk About Me (Official Music Video) cbabe Nov 30 #34

I got about 15 seconds into it. niyad Dec 1 #48

Yep. That's the offensive point. Stupid women and all about me menz. cbabe Dec 1 #57

ohhhh, sister... bluboid Nov 30 #36

You are most welcome. niyad Dec 1 #42

the whiney penis folks can pull themselves up by their bootsraps. pansypoo53219 Dec 1 #39

Or jockstraps! niyad Dec 1 #43

Another thing I've noticed Dem4life1234 Dec 1 #44

Thank you for pointing this out. Most of my viewing on youtube is political, niyad Dec 1 #47

Just seeing some of the titles as I scroll past is enough to raise my blood pressure... malthaussen Dec 1 #75

There are women who post things just as ridiculous... malthaussen Dec 1 #73

Oh I've seen some of those videos by women Dem4life1234 Dec 1 #83

just like Fox cultivates anger in old white folks 4catsmom Dec 1 #90

This! They claim women want the assholes and bad boys Dem4life1234 Dec 1 #92

I was willing to put up with jerks/cheaters until I turned 26. kerry-is-my-prez Dec 2 #127

The men Dem4life1234 Dec 2 #130

These are guys now in their 60's to 70's. The guys I keep in touch kerry-is-my-prez Dec 2 #131

If we want to help young men, Elessar Zappa Dec 1 #45

Yes, thank you. niyad Dec 1 #46

Yes, being raised in the Patriarchy means there is a hell of a lot to unlearn. Magoo48 Dec 1 #51

These menzzzzz are going to have 18 years of child support mzmolly Dec 1 #52

Pretty sure they won't, as so few actually do even now. niyad Dec 1 #60

Sadly mzmolly Dec 1 #62

Triumph of the wimps. malthaussen Dec 1 #64

Those same men can be incredibly toxic ismnotwasm Dec 1 #78

The serious issue Cirsium Dec 1 #80

Indoctrination of Little Boys IroningBored Dec 1 #85

This thread is exactly why we continue to drive men into the arms of the fascists. BlueTsunami2018 Dec 1 #86

It also glosses over the inconvenient reality 45 percent of women voted for Dump. BannonsLiver Dec 1 #87

Toxic men who hate women Demobrat Dec 1 #96

There's nothing wrong with talking about it. BlueTsunami2018 Dec 1 #99

Why? To please men? Demobrat Dec 1 #100

No, because it's bullshit. BlueTsunami2018 Dec 1 #101

So, my life experience, and the life experiences Demobrat Dec 1 #103

No, things do happen. BlueTsunami2018 Dec 1 #105

Where in this thread does it say all or most? Demobrat Dec 1 #106

There are more men being told it's ok to be a sexual predator. kerry-is-my-prez Dec 2 #124

Good luck on this site Skoodydoody5555 Dec 2 #122

Then why are you even here? mercuryblues Dec 8 #134

You should have been, dipstick. Whoops! just got banned, dincha! marble falls Dec 9 #135

Protectors and Providers? IroningBored Dec 2 #129

White men are going to be lost for like half a century because of this bullshit. Initech Dec 1 #93

Their leaders are setting them up to be cannon fodder in the final war against... hunter Dec 2 #133