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In reply to the discussion: "But What About the Menzzzzzz?????" is the anguished cry after this travesty of an election. [View all]malthaussen
(17,752 posts)In the spirit of your argument, women also fall into two camps, which we may call the traditional and modern, for the nonce. And what the modern women have difficulty grasping is that a whole lot of women like the traditional roles. "Women" are no more monolithic than "men." I can't help feeling that one reason so many were surprised by the most recent vote was because they thought that "women" would act as a bloc to oppose the (truly dreadful) principles of the Right.
I'd also modify the description of the "traditional" men somewhat. Using the Incels as the most glaring example of the most misogynistic of men, I've tried to figure out where their anger comes from. And what I've come up with is that they resent women who don't play by the "rules." The Incel believes that if he follows the script, conducts himself as the Rules say he should, that the woman he desires should automatically swoon and give him what he wants. They pride themselves on their adherence to the code, to the Rules they probably have been brought up to believe are right and just. A woman who perversely refuses to adhere to expectations is thus not simply expressing her right to her own life and choices, but is wrongfully depriving them of the just reward for all their hard work. Yes, that's ridiculous, but that doesn't mean it isn't what they believe. At any rate, this willful perversity, this unfair denial, is a betrayal of all that is good and true, and arouses great anger, even to the point of deadly violence (for which the other incels applaud them). Unfortunately for the incels (and other "traditional" men), there are fewer women who adhere to their code of conduct than there once were, and a growing percentage who not only do not adhere to the code, but mock it. There may not be enough "traditional" women to go around anymore, or it may be that the men find themselves operating in circles outside of their cozy expectations, and thus having to deal with women who don't subscribe to their crap. Hell, just attending a major university (as opposed to one of those little "Christian" colleges where the traditions are maintained) is going to rock their worlds: an educated and intelligent woman is unlikely to even know the Rules anymore, nevermind adhere to them. But to adapt and recognize that the rules they cherish are obsolete (and fairly ridiculous) is beyond them; even suggesting that they so adapt is an affront and offense, because the Rules are the Rules, they are the way things are supposed to be. I think this accounts for a lot of the anger (and violence against women) we're seeing. It is more than just pathetic insecurity, it is outraged convention.
-- Mal