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Voltaire2

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55. So we are completely determined by forces of production?

Thu Dec 5, 2024, 05:55 PM

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I think that 'reifies' the 'system' as an autonomous entity. (On reflection it likely is becoming an actual autonomous entity as AI takes over, but that is not yet relevant.) At the moment it is actual humans making explicit decisions that cause massive harm to the general population of the planet. They are literally destroying the habitable environment, the mild climate under which civilization has prospered and grown for like 15,000 years or so, since the last ice age ended. I'm sure they know that shit is hitting the fan and the catastrophe is in progress, and they are actively making it worse. That is some serious bad human intentional activity. It is Marvel Universe Bad.

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We have celebrated and made light of people being killed before [View all] edhopper Dec 5 OP

It's not the CEO, it's the freemarket economy and capitalism. WarGamer Dec 5 #1

The CEO's make the decisions Nigrum Cattus Dec 5 #6

I don't disagree... BUT WarGamer Dec 5 #8

You are wrong to call it capitalism gab13by13 Dec 5 #11

I don't disagree... WarGamer Dec 5 #13

Brian Thompson's choie Dec 5 #66

ABSOLUTELY. WarGamer Dec 5 #67

Vulture capitalism... dlk Dec 5 #33

Just following orders mein Fuhrer. Where have I heard that before? flashman13 Dec 5 #35

Sorry, but that's a "just following orders" argument Happy Hoosier Dec 5 #40

Bull Keepthesoulalive Dec 5 #43

If the CEO doesn't matter why pay him 10,000,000 per year Nigrum Cattus Dec 5 #59

I submit the other examples had influences, too. nt Gore1FL Dec 5 #9

This is correct. yardwork Dec 5 #14

So why did this CEO's edhopper Dec 5 #15

If UHC didn't break the law... then they were playing within the system. WarGamer Dec 5 #19

Again edhopper Dec 5 #21

we really don't disagree. WarGamer Dec 5 #23

We can't change the laws. Keepthesoulalive Dec 5 #44

UHC. GB_RN Dec 5 #60

I apologize edhopper Dec 5 #65

if any other guy in the office would've done the same The Wandering Harper Dec 5 #63

The CEO gets up every day and decides to do evil. Irish_Dem Dec 5 #26

does that make his murder justified? WarGamer Dec 5 #34

Does living a life of pure evil justify murder? Irish_Dem Dec 5 #41

So we are completely determined by forces of production? Voltaire2 Dec 5 #55

Did anyone hold a gun to his head to be ceo of death panel insurance? Woodwizard Dec 5 #61

The difference will be Frasier Balzov Dec 5 #2

And once again edhopper Dec 5 #18

Be very troubled. Frasier Balzov Dec 5 #20

Welcome to America. edhopper Dec 5 #22

Exactly - so what else is new? 'Murka!!!!!! hatrack Dec 5 #58

You're absolutely right. Self Esteem Dec 5 #52

Rec malaise Dec 5 #50

Yep mcar Dec 5 #39

Who else do want to see greenlighted? marble falls Dec 5 #3

No DUers are popping champagne corks leftstreet Dec 5 #4

Don't forget children in a Gaza hospital Prairie Gates Dec 5 #5

Ed XanaDUer2 Dec 5 #7

I'm sorry that happened to you. yardwork Dec 5 #16

Its fine XanaDUer2 Dec 5 #29

Totally agree BannonsLiver Dec 5 #10

I don't think people are celebrating the murder - they're venting against insurance companies and the shit they pull tenderfoot Dec 5 #12

Thank you Fullduplexxx Dec 5 #17

So now we are OK with adopting trump/GOPer 2nd admendment solutions. I'm sorry, I'm against that. Silent Type Dec 5 #24

Universal healthcare is the answer and in the mean time, our Passages Dec 5 #25

And yet edhopper Dec 5 #27

We must try, it is insane how people are treated and how much they lose. Passages Dec 5 #28

We should do a lot of things edhopper Dec 5 #30

I know which is why we must not give up. Passages Dec 5 #32

No fucks to give yankee87 Dec 5 #31

Beat up, beat down, & let die folks long enough & even pacifist bite back NotHardly Dec 5 #36

Damn straight. And they bite back hard. People can only take so much. paleotn Dec 5 #48

What goes around comes around. Demobrat Dec 5 #37

This! PortTack Dec 5 #38

Life is SO valuable in the West JoseBalow Dec 5 #42

This is the outcome from stupid Americans voting for republicans wolfie001 Dec 5 #45

They won't. We have a child rapist in the White House because no one had the balls to do anything. onecaliberal Dec 5 #46

Oh, gawd. Not the pearl clutchers. paleotn Dec 5 #47

Murder is wrong . . . SarcasticSatyr Dec 5 #49

Healthcare and capitalism don't mix. DinahMoeHum Dec 5 #51

But he was a babe in the woods. Only been at the company twenty years. Swede Dec 5 #53

Years ago during one of those "gas shortages" Klarkashton Dec 5 #54

People are inconsistent ThePartyThatListens Dec 5 #56

Yes, DU in general has celebrated and made fun of people being killed. It is one of the most disappointing kelly1mm Dec 5 #57

Theren are peoples whose deaths edhopper Dec 5 #64

He's looking up at us HereForTheParty Dec 5 #62