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Showing Original Post only (View all)The Medicare Advantage trap: What they don't tell you [View all]
When George W. Bush and congressional Republicans (and a handful of bought-off Democrats) created Medicare Advantage in 2003, it was the fulfillment of half of Bushs goal of privatizing Social Security and Medicare, dating all the way back to his unsuccessful run for Congress in 1978 and a main theme of his second term in office.
Medicare Advantage is not Medicare. These plans are private health insurance provided by private corporations, who are then reimbursed at a fixed rate by the Medicare trust fund regardless of how much their customers use their insurance. Thus, the more they can screw their customers and us taxpayers by withholding healthcare payments, the more money they make.
With real Medicare, if your doctor says you need a test, procedure, scan, or any other medical intervention you simply get it done and real Medicare pays the bill. No muss, no fuss, no permission needed. Real Medicare always pays, and if they think somethings not kosher, they follow up after the payments been made so as not to slow down the delivery of your healthcare.
With Medicare Advantage, however, youre subject to pre-clearance, meaning that the insurance company inserts itself between you and your doctor: You cant get the medical help you need until or unless the insurance company pre-clears you for payment.
Medicare Advantage is not Medicare. These plans are private health insurance provided by private corporations, who are then reimbursed at a fixed rate by the Medicare trust fund regardless of how much their customers use their insurance. Thus, the more they can screw their customers and us taxpayers by withholding healthcare payments, the more money they make.
With real Medicare, if your doctor says you need a test, procedure, scan, or any other medical intervention you simply get it done and real Medicare pays the bill. No muss, no fuss, no permission needed. Real Medicare always pays, and if they think somethings not kosher, they follow up after the payments been made so as not to slow down the delivery of your healthcare.
With Medicare Advantage, however, youre subject to pre-clearance, meaning that the insurance company inserts itself between you and your doctor: You cant get the medical help you need until or unless the insurance company pre-clears you for payment.
https://www.rawstory.com/raw-investigates/medicare-advantage-2670357750/
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Thank you for posting this. I tried to read this article on Rawstory but there is a paywall.
OMGWTF
Dec 7
#1
I don't understand why they are allowed to call it a Medicare plan. It should be called privatized senior insurance.
Walleye
Dec 7
#2
Yep, my advice is stick with it, maybe get a supplement if it looks feasible, but not a Medicare advantage
Walleye
Dec 7
#6
I am 81 and have used only real Medicate, including through cancer treatments for
Trust_Reality
Dec 7
#8
The problem is Medicare Advantage plans are allowed to interpret and decide - and they have the final say
dalton99a
Dec 7
#9
I can't say enough good things about the combination of Medicare and Tricare for Life
Susan Calvin
Dec 7
#74
Because it is literally authorized and governed by Part C of the Medicare statute.
Ms. Toad
Dec 7
#81
If Congress passes specific legislation authorizing a Medicare W, and the president signs it, then yes they would.
MichMan
Dec 11
#154
All private insurers whose plans comply with the Medicare Part C rules (as an alternative to original Medicare)
Ms. Toad
Dec 12
#163
Not quite accurate to say that: "(regular) Medicare always pays". Occasionally they don't.
marybourg
Dec 7
#7
someone has to pay for the 24/7 tv commercials, the annoying calls, and the mailings
rampartd
Dec 8
#126
Wish I had Kaiser here. When I lived in Atlanta, I had Kaiser. They really pushed you to get preventive exams, vaccines,
Silent Type
Dec 7
#36
I have Kaiser Senior Advantage and have been happy with it. Both my parents also had Kaiser
skylucy
Dec 7
#78
First off, Clinton signed legislation for Part C. And it is not true that Medicare pays for anything a doctor
Silent Type
Dec 7
#26
I started buying insurance in 2001. It was horrific. My daughter had to have extensive
Henry203
Dec 7
#47
Over half of Medicare eligible beneficiaries choose MA plans, primarily because of cost. I do agree a Public Option
Silent Type
Dec 7
#38
So you think 31 million people are stupid? Maybe if original Medicare met their needs,
Silent Type
Dec 7
#48
Actually, it might be an opportunity if your MA plan is eliminated. Then, you have a guaranteed right to return to
Silent Type
Dec 8
#132
Plenty of people do fine on MA, as DUers have posted, even though cancer, heart disease,
Silent Type
Dec 11
#157
I think anyone campaigning on eliminating people's MA plans would face a lot of resistance
MichMan
Dec 7
#45
Totally agree. Maybe someone in Congress will realize that if they put those benefits in original Medicare and
Silent Type
Dec 7
#52
Glad your wife has survived. As others here on DU and elsewhere have posted, there ain't much evidence of
Silent Type
Dec 11
#147
Hospitals and doctors bill those huge amounts to insurance, even Medicare, knowing that they will have
Silent Type
Dec 11
#150
If you want quality care from Kaiser, it is. No one makes you sign up. Did your friend
Silent Type
Dec 11
#158
Got it. In 2013 we didn't have pre-existing condition protection. Sorry about you daughter though.
Silent Type
Dec 11
#160
My Medicare Advantage is just fine, thank you. I will be damned if I am going to pay 100, 200 a month more
valleyrogue
Dec 7
#40
Is that the amount you have ACTUALLY paid in a year or the amount you could POTENTIALLY pay
Sucha NastyWoman
Dec 8
#119
I haven't read the link yet, but I have only regular Medicare and had surgery that required follow-up PE and
Vinca
Dec 7
#53
The fact that they push this "advantage" so hard indicates how profitable it must be for them.
patphil
Dec 7
#59
If you have original Medicare plus a supplement the insurance company that sold you the supplement MUST PAY their part
Sucha NastyWoman
Dec 7
#62
What percent of the eligible population does not have original Medicare, with or without a supplement?
LAS14
Dec 7
#64
Think I missed this years "enrollment period. December 7. Went with an advantage plan as it is free (no monthly premium)
Evolve Dammit
Dec 8
#125
My Friend F 72y/o Will Be Retiring Soon And Will Be Looking For A Medicare Plan.....
global1
Dec 7
#68
I have had a Kaiser Medicare Advantage plan for the past five years. Never denied anything.
Sibelius Fan
Dec 7
#76
Even though I pay more monthly for a supplement its more cost effective for me in the long run
indigovalley
Dec 8
#129
they drive me crazy (close to the title of a great 80s song btw) when I watch American streams
Celerity
Dec 8
#107
Correct, Clinton signed it into law; Bush just changed the name of it after it was already implemented
MichMan
Dec 8
#144
The commission an agent is paid by the insurance companies for selling a policy can be twice as much
Sucha NastyWoman
Dec 8
#127
I have a question - my friend tells me he signed up for a Medicare Advantage plan
walkingman
Dec 8
#140