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MineralMan

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Thu Dec 12, 2024, 10:19 AM Dec 12

When Ethics and Moral Values Depend on Which Side You're On, [View all]

Things are pretty much FUBAR, I think.

When one person kills another person by cowardly shooting the other person in the back on a public street, that was once considered to be heinous breach of some universal ethical rule. In my mind, it still is, regardless of who the two people involved are.

Has that changed somehow? Do we now attempt to analyze both people and justify the killing if we agree with the shooter that the dead person was not a good person? I don't think that is a good place to be, frankly.

Now, I don't know Luigi Mangione. I don't know Brian Thompson. I know that one shot the other in the back on the street in New York. By all accounts, the dead man was the head of a health insurance company, which is not a position I would ever accept. Too much responsibility to save money by denying services to sick people. Terrible job. As the CEO of UHC, Thompson probably did not know the name of a single covered person with the insurance the company offers. I'm certain that he feels no guilt when one of UHC's customer dies after being denied coverage for some treatment or other. He had the job he had, which indicates to me that he is almost certainly an uncaring human being who is more interested in money than health care.

As the shooter, Luigi Mangione planned his act of shooting Thompson very carefully. And successfully. He accomplished his goal of killing a man he blamed for harming others. He planned less well to escape being captured after the fact. I don't know if that was intentional or simply bad planning on his part. Now, he is under arrest and will be tried in a New York court for a crime of killing someone intentionally after planning to do so. Very likely, a jury will convict him and send him to prison for a long, long time. He may well have ended his own life as a free person.

What did not change was the health care insurance system in this country. Thompson will be replaced soon with someone else who will lead a company that will, no doubt, deny care for people for whatever reasons they can come up with. All health insurance companies do that.

In the end, we all die. In the end, the fact that Luigi Mangione killed Brian Thompson by shooting him in the back on a street in New York remains. In doing so, he broke any number of very basic legal, moral, and ethical rules. It is all very regrettable, and has led to people taking sides once again over something that should be a matter of common agreement. Apparently, our basic moral and ethical rules no longer hold. Now, it seems to be a matter of whether you agree or disagree with the motives of the person who kills another person.

Ethics and morals, at that level, should not be transactional, I think. We have made them so.

More's the pity.

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I think all of these cases expose the two-tiered "justice" system we have. alarimer Dec 12 #1
I've been wondering about those 2 teens stabbed. This is latest info I found. Silent Type Dec 12 #22
Yeah, that was a weird one Sympthsical Dec 12 #38
You mean how it's murder if you kill someone with a gun but it's just business if you kill thousands ... dawg Dec 12 #2
I mean exactly what I wrote. MineralMan Dec 12 #6
Did it ever occur to you that both of them were killers? dawg Dec 12 #7
Of course it did. MineralMan Dec 12 #10
I don't think we need to be scolded for our lack of enthusiasm for prosecuting this guy ... dawg Dec 12 #18
I'm not scolding anyone. I'm commenting on something MineralMan Dec 12 #20
Mangione left out the trial, conviction, and sentence parts like most vigilantes do. Ping Tung Dec 12 #11
It is legal to kill thousands, hundreds of thousands, even millions Bettie Dec 12 #13
So does the miilitary industrial complex and we build monuments to them for doing it so efficiently. Ping Tung Dec 12 #21
There is a key difference Bettie Dec 12 #23
Will murdering their executives (or secretaries, accountants, lawyers, janitors) stop them from doing it? . Ping Tung Dec 12 #30
My post was about the fact that "health insurance" Bettie Dec 12 #31
Are you going to stop voting because it's useless? Ping Tung Dec 12 #33
You have more faith in republicans than I do Bettie Dec 12 #36
I live in Washington which is very Blue. I always vote blue (even when nose holding jis necessary). Ping Tung Dec 12 #37
Yes, and it shouldn't be. Ocelot II Dec 12 #26
+1. And Congress -- including our party's reps -- smile and take it. UHG donated substantially more to Dems than GOPers Silent Type Dec 12 #39
One man murdered another, not in self-defense but with premeditated malice. Dennis Donovan Dec 12 #3
Yes. And that's simply a fact. MineralMan Dec 12 #5
We're a nation of laws atreides1 Dec 12 #14
Those laws are almost never Bettie Dec 12 #24
The train has come off the rails.... full speed ahead,... magicarpet Dec 12 #4
Another shameful tragedy,... magicarpet Dec 12 #8
"Apparently, our basic moral and ethical rules no longer hold." CrispyQ Dec 12 #9
So it seems. I find that alarming. MineralMan Dec 12 #17
It's a cycle apparently. One we can't escape. CrispyQ Dec 12 #25
I agree, and I've also been troubled over the attempts to justify this murder - Ocelot II Dec 12 #12
Yes, I've noticed your posts, as usual. MineralMan Dec 12 #15
Maybe we are talking about individiuals whose morals haven't Mike 03 Dec 12 #16
Perhaps. However, I have not noticed that so much until recently. MineralMan Dec 12 #19
Let's not have a double standard. One standard will do just fine. George Carlin sarisataka Dec 12 #27
This really isn't a new phenomenon. Quiet Em Dec 12 #28
Let's revisit your post after the trial. maxrandb Dec 12 #29
Health insurance is immoral in itself. The entire sick for profit system shouldn't exist. Shell_Seas Dec 12 #32
Well, there are other healthcare systems, of course. MineralMan Dec 12 #34
In a better world we wouldn't need it at all. Ocelot II Dec 12 #35
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