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ShazzieB

(22,682 posts)
22. This is exactly correct!
Fri Dec 13, 2024, 06:47 PM
Dec 2024

She was talking about how it FEELS to be denied needed care for yourself or a loved one. And she was right. I'm lucky enough that I've never been denied care that I or someone I love literally needed to stay alive (so far 🤞 ) but like most Americans, I know what it is to live under the fear of that happening.

I've also seen people I care about have to forego treatment they needed due to having an employer that did not offer medical insurance to its employees. NO ONE should have to live with any of these kinds of things in the richest freaking country on earth! And yet so many American just accept this bs as a matter of course, because they've been brainwashed to believe that the U.S . health care system is better than what other countries have. What a freaking JOKE!

Personally, I hold these companies responsible for the fact that we STILL don't have the kind of universal health care that most other "industrialized" countries have, because I know that they constantly funnel large amounts of money to legislators to insure that there won't be enough votes to pass any such program. I'm also pretty sure they're helping fund the efforts to get rid of the ACA. Those companies suck for all those reasons, and because of that, I'm very sympathetic to those who have reacted to this shooting in ways that some judge to be "inappropriate."

And speaking of the word "judge," I can't believe I'm still seeing so many judgmental posts about this. There are so many people here who just can't resist getting in a little dig every time there's a thread related to this, and I don't understand why people can't just agree to disagree and move the fuck ON.

***Edited to add obligatory disclaimer: No, the awful thjngs Insurance companies do don't excuse murder; killing people is wrong; I am not celebrating this man's death, etc., etc.***

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So the murder was really self defense? FBaggins Dec 2024 #1
Silly. H2O Man Dec 2024 #2
Self defense has to be immediate. NutmegYankee Dec 2024 #4
You're purposely twisting and lying about her comments ThePartyThatListens Dec 2024 #8
Not at all FBaggins Dec 2024 #11
What do you mean? Quiet Em Dec 2024 #14
"This is not to say that an act of violence is justified, but..." FBaggins Dec 2024 #32
Did you even listen to every word she said? Quiet Em Dec 2024 #37
I saw no need to FBaggins Dec 2024 #39
Her language was not the problem Quiet Em Dec 2024 #42
"The murder was a direct cause of the conversation that followed." FBaggins Dec 2024 #45
AOC and most people are not validating Mangione's motives. Quiet Em Dec 2024 #46
Well, I think making a medical decision, or rather a financial decision, Susan Calvin Dec 2024 #52
Assuming intentions lildDemz Dec 2024 #57
She's trying to explain how it got to this point and that we shouldn't be shocked. Cuthbert Allgood Dec 2024 #20
No. She's saying the murder brought about a discussion Quiet Em Dec 2024 #10
Please stop. ShazzieB Dec 2024 #16
Not buying what you're selling because she said nothing of the sort. Autumn Dec 2024 #29
Which side are you on? Emile Dec 2024 #30
Answer is obvious: Not the Democratic side. n/t Hellbound Hellhound Dec 2024 #33
What is the Democratic side? PennRalphie Dec 2024 #58
The anti-murder side FBaggins Dec 2024 #38
Well, if what some health insurance companies have been documented as doing Susan Calvin Dec 2024 #53
a quick google search showed me that misinterpreting AOC is a hot topic in the right wing sphere. Quiet Em Dec 2024 #43
Which murder are you referring to? Bluetus Dec 2024 #41
They are not connected Cirsium Dec 2024 #44
your reading comprehension skills azureblue Dec 2024 #55
She was ForgedCrank Dec 2024 #3
I disagree... Think. Again. Dec 2024 #5
You are misquoting her. soldierant Dec 2024 #13
This is exactly correct! ShazzieB Dec 2024 #22
This message was self-deleted by its author ShazzieB Dec 2024 #23
Well I'll say it: denying treatment to people with health problems is an act of violence. Voltaire2 Dec 2024 #47
I'm inclined soldierant Dec 2024 #61
So you tell me (true story) Horse with no Name Dec 2024 #18
She's becoming one of my favorites. BannonsLiver Dec 2024 #6
Has always been one of my favorites Arazi Dec 2024 #34
K&R orangecrush Dec 2024 #7
It's emotional/psychological violence. patphil Dec 2024 #9
+1 dalton99a Dec 2024 #12
HELL Yeah! calimary Dec 2024 #19
It is well known Farmer-Rick Dec 2024 #27
rejection of claims is real bad framing, it is frequently denial of treatment. Voltaire2 Dec 2024 #48
That It Does. GB_RN Dec 2024 #54
There are places on the internet that sell "GOP - Greed Over People" bumper stickers. patphil Dec 2024 #59
Thanks For That GB_RN Dec 2024 #60
Eating the rich may be the only working alternative left for some of us. Ford_Prefect Dec 2024 #15
Secrets in the sauce! questionseverything Dec 2024 #21
can I just compost them? I'm vegan. nt. Voltaire2 Dec 2024 #65
K&R ReRe Dec 2024 #17
so if repukes use the same logic when shooting abortion doctors Skittles Dec 2024 #24
The word that came to mind when I read this post was "disingenuous." ShazzieB Dec 2024 #26
Be in mind, UHC employees have been threatened with firing if they don't toe the party line. n/t Hellbound Hellhound Dec 2024 #28
well that there is the poster child for false equivalence. nt. Voltaire2 Dec 2024 #49
why? Skittles Dec 2024 #50
or their warped logic azureblue Dec 2024 #56
who thinks it is fine to kill people by denying coverage Skittles Dec 2024 #63
" I deny you the privilege to live, but I'll take your money" is no better than shooting someone in the back. Hellbound Hellhound Dec 2024 #25
Well the way this works is as follows BeyondGeography Dec 2024 #31
Playing goody two shoes sure isn't working malaise Dec 2024 #36
THIS malaise Dec 2024 #35
AOC rocks. Celerity Dec 2024 #40
It is indeed often a life-threatening act of violence, when it isn't a sentence to a life of pain and misery. Martin68 Dec 2024 #51
It's not violence as much as greed. LeftInTX Dec 2024 #62
This woman has a BIG future! I hope I live a long time and am able to watch and support her, liberalla Dec 2024 #64
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