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Cirsium

(3,363 posts)
44. They are not connected
Fri Dec 13, 2024, 06:56 PM
Dec 2024

The expressions of public outrage were triggered by the murder. Otherwise, there is no connection such as the one you are trying to make.

No one is trying to sell the idea that the murder was self-defense. You must know that.

I agree with this:

In my 35 years as a filmmaker, have I said or done anything that has implied I condone murder? As a teenager during the Vietnam War, I was required to register for the draft at the local draft board. There was a box on the form asking me if I had a problem with killing Vietnamese people. Actually, it just asked me to check the box if I was going to file for Conscientious Objector status — meaning, if given the opportunity, would I swear that I would never kill a Vietnamese person. I checked the box. Throughout my adult life, I have repeatedly stated that I’m a pacifist. In fact, I have never struck another human in my life. Not even on the playground. I was taller and bigger than the other boys so they mostly left me alone. Usually I was the one who would try to stop the bullies from picking on the smaller kids. When they’d start swinging at me, I would wrap my arms around them, pinning their arms to their sides in my “human straitjacket” and not letting them go until they stopped.

Here’s a sad statistic for you: In the United States, we have a whopping 1.4 million people employed with the job of DENYING HEALTH CARE, vs only 1 million doctors in the entire country! That’s all you need to know about America. We pay more people to deny care than to give it. 1 million doctors to give care, 1.4 million brutes in cubicles doing their best to stop doctors from giving that care. If the purpose of “health care” is to keep people alive, then what is the purpose of DENYING PEOPLE HEALTH CARE? Other than to kill them? I definitely condemn that kind of murder. And in fact, I already did. In 2007, I made a film – SICKO – about America’s bloodthirsty, profit-driven and murderous health insurance system. It was nominated for an Oscar. It’s the second-largest grossing film of my career (after Fahrenheit 9/11). And over the past 15 years, millions upon millions of people have watched it including, apparently, Luigi Mangione.

After the killing of the CEO of United HealthCare, the largest of these billion dollar insurance companies, there was an immediate OUTPOURING of anger toward the health insurance industry. Some people have stepped forward to condemn this anger. I am not one of them.

https://www.michaelmoore.com/p/a-manifesto-against-for-profit-health

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So the murder was really self defense? FBaggins Dec 2024 #1
Silly. H2O Man Dec 2024 #2
Self defense has to be immediate. NutmegYankee Dec 2024 #4
You're purposely twisting and lying about her comments ThePartyThatListens Dec 2024 #8
Not at all FBaggins Dec 2024 #11
What do you mean? Quiet Em Dec 2024 #14
"This is not to say that an act of violence is justified, but..." FBaggins Dec 2024 #32
Did you even listen to every word she said? Quiet Em Dec 2024 #37
I saw no need to FBaggins Dec 2024 #39
Her language was not the problem Quiet Em Dec 2024 #42
"The murder was a direct cause of the conversation that followed." FBaggins Dec 2024 #45
AOC and most people are not validating Mangione's motives. Quiet Em Dec 2024 #46
Well, I think making a medical decision, or rather a financial decision, Susan Calvin Dec 2024 #52
Assuming intentions lildDemz Dec 2024 #57
She's trying to explain how it got to this point and that we shouldn't be shocked. Cuthbert Allgood Dec 2024 #20
No. She's saying the murder brought about a discussion Quiet Em Dec 2024 #10
Please stop. ShazzieB Dec 2024 #16
Not buying what you're selling because she said nothing of the sort. Autumn Dec 2024 #29
Which side are you on? Emile Dec 2024 #30
Answer is obvious: Not the Democratic side. n/t Hellbound Hellhound Dec 2024 #33
What is the Democratic side? PennRalphie Dec 2024 #58
The anti-murder side FBaggins Dec 2024 #38
Well, if what some health insurance companies have been documented as doing Susan Calvin Dec 2024 #53
a quick google search showed me that misinterpreting AOC is a hot topic in the right wing sphere. Quiet Em Dec 2024 #43
Which murder are you referring to? Bluetus Dec 2024 #41
They are not connected Cirsium Dec 2024 #44
your reading comprehension skills azureblue Dec 2024 #55
She was ForgedCrank Dec 2024 #3
I disagree... Think. Again. Dec 2024 #5
You are misquoting her. soldierant Dec 2024 #13
This is exactly correct! ShazzieB Dec 2024 #22
This message was self-deleted by its author ShazzieB Dec 2024 #23
Well I'll say it: denying treatment to people with health problems is an act of violence. Voltaire2 Dec 2024 #47
I'm inclined soldierant Dec 2024 #61
So you tell me (true story) Horse with no Name Dec 2024 #18
She's becoming one of my favorites. BannonsLiver Dec 2024 #6
Has always been one of my favorites Arazi Dec 2024 #34
K&R orangecrush Dec 2024 #7
It's emotional/psychological violence. patphil Dec 2024 #9
+1 dalton99a Dec 2024 #12
HELL Yeah! calimary Dec 2024 #19
It is well known Farmer-Rick Dec 2024 #27
rejection of claims is real bad framing, it is frequently denial of treatment. Voltaire2 Dec 2024 #48
That It Does. GB_RN Dec 2024 #54
There are places on the internet that sell "GOP - Greed Over People" bumper stickers. patphil Dec 2024 #59
Thanks For That GB_RN Dec 2024 #60
Eating the rich may be the only working alternative left for some of us. Ford_Prefect Dec 2024 #15
Secrets in the sauce! questionseverything Dec 2024 #21
can I just compost them? I'm vegan. nt. Voltaire2 Dec 2024 #65
K&R ReRe Dec 2024 #17
so if repukes use the same logic when shooting abortion doctors Skittles Dec 2024 #24
The word that came to mind when I read this post was "disingenuous." ShazzieB Dec 2024 #26
Be in mind, UHC employees have been threatened with firing if they don't toe the party line. n/t Hellbound Hellhound Dec 2024 #28
well that there is the poster child for false equivalence. nt. Voltaire2 Dec 2024 #49
why? Skittles Dec 2024 #50
or their warped logic azureblue Dec 2024 #56
who thinks it is fine to kill people by denying coverage Skittles Dec 2024 #63
" I deny you the privilege to live, but I'll take your money" is no better than shooting someone in the back. Hellbound Hellhound Dec 2024 #25
Well the way this works is as follows BeyondGeography Dec 2024 #31
Playing goody two shoes sure isn't working malaise Dec 2024 #36
THIS malaise Dec 2024 #35
AOC rocks. Celerity Dec 2024 #40
It is indeed often a life-threatening act of violence, when it isn't a sentence to a life of pain and misery. Martin68 Dec 2024 #51
It's not violence as much as greed. LeftInTX Dec 2024 #62
This woman has a BIG future! I hope I live a long time and am able to watch and support her, liberalla Dec 2024 #64
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