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Silent Type

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20. Looked at Buzzfeed link,
Sat Dec 14, 2024, 10:46 PM
Dec 14

all anecdotal (but I'm sure some are real as further discussed), no real details, and many of them would not have been paid or approved by our model government programs or many plans in European countries.

One was a clinical trial that might not have met government program requirements for reimbursement such as under Medicare.

One was having trouble with insulin cost. I would too, but that's big pharma charging $800 and incurring shortages. And, Congress got off its rear and corrected that.

Another was a mother -- rather than a doctor -- trying to get her daughter into an inpatient facility for drug addiction rehab. Well, government programs have requirements too-- patient has to be capable and desirable of participating in treatment; cannot engage meaningfully; and even after entering rehab, patients must meet Medicare's ongoing benchmarks to maintain their stay. Some even require outpatient treatment.

I stopped at that point.

Some of the examples are true and regrettable (those are a prime target for lawsuits) and many would happen under government programs here and in other countries; but I know for a fact the other components of our so-called system are just a guilty, maybe more so.

If Congress would act, we either wouldn't have health insurers, or they would would be highly regulated -- including denials and reports to consumers -- and audited for compliance.

Instead, Congress is probably laughing its rears off while we point fingers at private insurance and praise Luigi. No, reason for them taking action. Heck, I think one reason Congress does nothing is that they don't want the heat of complaints that are inevitable.

What would really be convincing is if you found legal cases where patients, their family, estate, etc., sues an insurance company for death because of a denial. I would find that quite convincing.

One can sue if the company acts negligently, wrongfully denies a claim, or drags out the process. You can also sue if the insurance company misrepresents the terms or benefits of your policy, or engages in fraudulent activities.

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Medicare would have denied $40k balloon dilation procedure too. It's a 15 minutes procedure Silent Type Dec 14 #1
She tried that. MrsCoffee Dec 14 #2
She tried that and it was painful. So let's spend $35k more because it's uncomfortable for a few minutes. Silent Type Dec 14 #4
I'm sorry but this is peripherally personal. JMCKUSICK Dec 14 #8
My life from the time I was about 12 moniss Dec 15 #53
You are a walking, talking example of insidious discrimination JMCKUSICK Dec 15 #54
Thank you. I can remember moniss Dec 15 #55
Are you fucking kidding me?! Arazi Dec 14 #15
Nope, not one of those because they aren't of questionable clinical value and government plans Silent Type Dec 14 #24
You. Are. Not. A. Medical. Expert. Arazi Dec 15 #26
Well, then, you won't like MFA because any government plan is likely going to do Silent Type Dec 15 #30
She was suicidal and needed medical care Arazi Dec 15 #39
Your lack of empathy is noted. choie Dec 15 #27
Empathy yes. Spending considerably more without looking to see if Medicare/caid guidelines Silent Type Dec 15 #32
You are not in a position to judge someone's pain tolerance Keepthesoulalive Dec 15 #35
I think I'll stick with the judgement of the attending physician.... paleotn Dec 14 #3
You mean the ones who order millions of quack treatments and tests a year to pad their bank account. Silent Type Dec 14 #5
Ah yes. ALL physicians are crooks. Is that what you're saying? paleotn Dec 14 #9
And I told you I'm not. I do work with doctors, and yes many cheat. Shouldn't be surprising Silent Type Dec 14 #11
So answer my question, do people have to die just so we ensure no grifting? paleotn Dec 14 #12
Got citations of people dying because of denials? There are plenty of cases where docs Silent Type Dec 14 #14
Hard to believe I'm having to defend this..... paleotn Dec 14 #17
Looked at Buzzfeed link, Silent Type Dec 14 #20
Words wasted on the wrong people. paleotn Dec 15 #40
Do you have a connection to the for-profit private health insurance industry? (no, not being a customer) Celerity Dec 15 #45
Bullshit choie Dec 15 #28
I work with many doctors Horse with no Name Dec 15 #44
Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 14 #16
I agree with your assessment. choie Dec 15 #29
Medicare would have paid the negotiated rate, not denied the care. Ms. Toad Dec 14 #23
American Academy of Otolarngology differs with your perception of need. Silent Type Dec 15 #50
I'm astounded you're continuing this Arazi Dec 15 #52
First - this has nothing to do with my perception of need. It was her doctor who made that assessment - the doctor Ms. Toad Dec 15 #56
So much effort to explain UHC, amazing. Passages Dec 15 #41
So much criminality is exposed in McNaughton's case. vanessa_ca Dec 15 #47
Absolutely. Passages Dec 15 #48
I just noticed your signature line. I love you lol. eom vanessa_ca Dec 15 #49
This is so painful to read that it leaves me with one question JMCKUSICK Dec 14 #6
As long as healthcare is a profit motivated "industry", the answer is to your question is yes. paleotn Dec 14 #10
Every component of our so-called health system takes a big cut. Heck, UHG donated significantly more to Dems Silent Type Dec 14 #13
As usual JMCKUSICK Dec 14 #18
Once again government failed us. While a big friggin deal, ACA is based totally upon private insurers. Why? Silent Type Dec 14 #22
Because Dems don't fight, they negotiate...with our lives JMCKUSICK Dec 15 #33
That's what I'm saying, Congress has failed us. Silent Type Dec 15 #51
"a million medical victim march on Washington" vanessa_ca Dec 15 #25
I'm sorry I can't hear you. I'm... lame54 Dec 14 #7
I hope she eventually got the surgery Meowmee Dec 14 #19
I wish they would showcase these stories Skittles Dec 14 #21
The Daily Mail? sheshe2 Dec 15 #31
Yes. I have better sources from independent outlets like ProPublica, however vanessa_ca Dec 15 #36
You don't need three OPs. sheshe2 Dec 15 #37
Because I am familiar with those three stories vanessa_ca Dec 15 #38
Since when were doctors not the authority on "medically necessary"? ColinC Dec 15 #34
Since when? Ask a woman who needs an abortion and can't get one. Autumn Dec 15 #42
Yeah, I have an old high school acquaintance, an MD who treats the LGBTQ community primarily Nittersing Dec 15 #43
Ask Greg Abbott, Ken Paxton and a host of other mostly male, GOP officials who are now overlords of the uterus. Vinca Dec 15 #46
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