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gab13by13

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3. I for one am not giving up on Ukraine

Sat Dec 21, 2024, 07:43 AM

20 hrs ago

even when Musk deserts it.

Ukraine can fight more boldly, can launch more invasions into Russia once the United States has abandoned it. Putin's threat of nuclear war will not carry any weight with his 2 puppets in charge of the United States.

Ukraine will fight on without us, other nations need to fill our void.

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Another consideration if Trump gives Ukraine to Putin: [View all] no_hypocrisy 20 hrs ago OP

Good point, Trump will hand Putin one of the world's best fighting machines. Irish_Dem 20 hrs ago #1

There would never be such a conscription... 2naSalit 20 hrs ago #2

Exactly. Irish_Dem 20 hrs ago #5

siberia for any ukrainians i'm afraid rampartd 17 hrs ago #24

Wont happen after the past 3 yrs Callie1979 19 hrs ago #8

Trump will hand Putin a country which hates his guts. Irish_Dem 19 hrs ago #12

I for one am not giving up on Ukraine gab13by13 20 hrs ago #3

After the civil war you mean? BeyondGeography 20 hrs ago #4

I've been thinking the same. Irish_Dem 19 hrs ago #6

Same here. Taking Ukraine would be the easy part for Putin. Holding and controlling it would be the challenge. Midnight Writer 19 hrs ago #9

Putin's Ukraine invasion was one of the greatest intelligence failures in history. Irish_Dem 19 hrs ago #13

I hear what your saying. hydrolastic 17 hrs ago #26

Excellent point. A total failure of all US checks, balances, guardrails. Irish_Dem 17 hrs ago #28

Many of them thought it was a training exercise. Thats why Western militaries are better Callie1979 13 hrs ago #32

Holding and controlling a very hostile county takes a lot of troops and money. Irish_Dem 19 hrs ago #14

This is so often ignored in discussion of Russian "gains" in Ukraine. Emrys 19 hrs ago #15

Russia will always try to take more territory, that's who they are. Walleye 19 hrs ago #16

That's certainly borne out by the current rhetoric from Kremlin-sponsored mouthpieces on Russia's media Emrys 19 hrs ago #17

I think you have described very well the situation. Walleye 18 hrs ago #19

I am a US military kid who lived in a US occupied country as a child. Irish_Dem 18 hrs ago #18

Well, now they own the president of the United States. That's raw power. Walleye 18 hrs ago #20

Exactly, it is a brilliant power play. Irish_Dem 18 hrs ago #21

They have been working on it pretty much all of my life, 75 years Walleye 18 hrs ago #22

They want the LAND. That area is full of natural resources. The towns are destroyed. Callie1979 13 hrs ago #34

Soviets occupied East Germany moondust 16 hrs ago #30

Yes rigid control takes a lot of ground troops. And 250,000 brutal police and Stasi. Irish_Dem 16 hrs ago #31

There weren't any opposition forces in E Germany. Callie1979 13 hrs ago #35

Well, Trump told EU representatives yesterday that he has no intention of abandoning Ukraine Emrys 19 hrs ago #7

Amen Callie1979 19 hrs ago #11

I think there could be some mental masturbation going on between Trump and Putin right now. Irish_Dem 18 hrs ago #23

It all comes down to what Daddy Musk decides Pachamama 17 hrs ago #29

Step-Daddy Elon might end up falling from a great height... haele 12 hrs ago #37

Thats it! The WORST thing Putin can do is gloat. Trump will treat him like Pence. Callie1979 12 hrs ago #36

Trump cannot "hand" UKR to Putin. UKR has a say in this as well as Europe Callie1979 19 hrs ago #10

Putin is not marching into Poland edhopper 17 hrs ago #25

How exactly does Trump give Ukraine to Putin? Pachamama 17 hrs ago #27

Even Putin isn't stupid enough to invade Poland. RubyRose 13 hrs ago #33