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Emrys

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17. That's certainly borne out by the current rhetoric from Kremlin-sponsored mouthpieces on Russia's media

Sat Dec 21, 2024, 08:47 AM

19 hrs ago

They're basking in their image of Russia as a glorious imperial power continually seeking to expand and suppress any countries - the decadent "Nazis", the disgusting West where so many of them have hypocritically been only too happy to spend time and enjoy the fruits - that don't bend to its will. They're delusional, of course, but that's the underlying motivation and public stance, in their own deranged words.

That's why I'm so skeptical about any talk that concessions by Ukraine during any negotiations will buy any lasting piece. If Russia's leadership lacks any vision of a future where the country prospers within its existing borders, and not just its oligarchy, then it can never be trusted in any way.

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Another consideration if Trump gives Ukraine to Putin: [View all] no_hypocrisy 21 hrs ago OP

Good point, Trump will hand Putin one of the world's best fighting machines. Irish_Dem 20 hrs ago #1

There would never be such a conscription... 2naSalit 20 hrs ago #2

Exactly. Irish_Dem 20 hrs ago #5

siberia for any ukrainians i'm afraid rampartd 18 hrs ago #24

Wont happen after the past 3 yrs Callie1979 20 hrs ago #8

Trump will hand Putin a country which hates his guts. Irish_Dem 20 hrs ago #12

I for one am not giving up on Ukraine gab13by13 20 hrs ago #3

After the civil war you mean? BeyondGeography 20 hrs ago #4

I've been thinking the same. Irish_Dem 20 hrs ago #6

Same here. Taking Ukraine would be the easy part for Putin. Holding and controlling it would be the challenge. Midnight Writer 20 hrs ago #9

Putin's Ukraine invasion was one of the greatest intelligence failures in history. Irish_Dem 20 hrs ago #13

I hear what your saying. hydrolastic 18 hrs ago #26

Excellent point. A total failure of all US checks, balances, guardrails. Irish_Dem 18 hrs ago #28

Many of them thought it was a training exercise. Thats why Western militaries are better Callie1979 13 hrs ago #32

Holding and controlling a very hostile county takes a lot of troops and money. Irish_Dem 20 hrs ago #14

This is so often ignored in discussion of Russian "gains" in Ukraine. Emrys 19 hrs ago #15

Russia will always try to take more territory, that's who they are. Walleye 19 hrs ago #16

That's certainly borne out by the current rhetoric from Kremlin-sponsored mouthpieces on Russia's media Emrys 19 hrs ago #17

I think you have described very well the situation. Walleye 19 hrs ago #19

I am a US military kid who lived in a US occupied country as a child. Irish_Dem 19 hrs ago #18

Well, now they own the president of the United States. That's raw power. Walleye 19 hrs ago #20

Exactly, it is a brilliant power play. Irish_Dem 19 hrs ago #21

They have been working on it pretty much all of my life, 75 years Walleye 19 hrs ago #22

They want the LAND. That area is full of natural resources. The towns are destroyed. Callie1979 13 hrs ago #34

Soviets occupied East Germany moondust 16 hrs ago #30

Yes rigid control takes a lot of ground troops. And 250,000 brutal police and Stasi. Irish_Dem 16 hrs ago #31

There weren't any opposition forces in E Germany. Callie1979 13 hrs ago #35

Well, Trump told EU representatives yesterday that he has no intention of abandoning Ukraine Emrys 20 hrs ago #7

Amen Callie1979 20 hrs ago #11

I think there could be some mental masturbation going on between Trump and Putin right now. Irish_Dem 18 hrs ago #23

It all comes down to what Daddy Musk decides Pachamama 17 hrs ago #29

Step-Daddy Elon might end up falling from a great height... haele 13 hrs ago #37

Thats it! The WORST thing Putin can do is gloat. Trump will treat him like Pence. Callie1979 13 hrs ago #36

Trump cannot "hand" UKR to Putin. UKR has a say in this as well as Europe Callie1979 20 hrs ago #10

Putin is not marching into Poland edhopper 18 hrs ago #25

How exactly does Trump give Ukraine to Putin? Pachamama 18 hrs ago #27

Even Putin isn't stupid enough to invade Poland. RubyRose 13 hrs ago #33