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Ocelot II

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31. They weren't simpletons at all; they were trying to construct a government
Wed Dec 25, 2024, 03:22 PM
Dec 2024

that could avoid or combat the problems Europe had experienced for centuries and with which they were very familiar, especially religious wars, autocratic monarchs, class structures and the effects of feudalism. England was still recovering from the civil wars of the 17th century and its revolving-door monarchy, which by 1776 was controlled by a king who was certifiably nuts. If you'd ever actually read the Federalist Papers you'd know that these were not stupid people. But they were dealing with issues pertinent to the times they knew of and were living in. If it were possible for the smartest among us to start from scratch now and design a new system that works for our time, it would certainly be different. But 250 years from now, would that system and its designers also be considered stupid if the system couldn't deal effectively with whatever had transpired since it was created?

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America died for me on 11/5. [View all] Funtatlaguy Dec 2024 OP
Don't hate all of us. I do understand what you're saying. LoisB Dec 2024 #1
Don't hate all of us is Damn Skippy right. Don't hate America bottomofthehill Dec 2024 #32
I think your second paragraph was intended for the original poster (not me) but you are LoisB Dec 2024 #34
Sorry, fat thumbs and brain freeze bottomofthehill Dec 2024 #38
No worries. I knew who you were talking to. I can't imagine living anywhere else either and LoisB Dec 2024 #45
That's no way to live. Nothing is worth you being miserable like that. Talk to your doctor about depression. WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2024 #2
I'm not depressed. Just realistic. Funtatlaguy Dec 2024 #4
Thinking there's nothing attainable and that "merely existing" is the best you can do is definitely depression. WhiskeyGrinder Dec 2024 #5
I do help others daily but with no joy. Funtatlaguy Dec 2024 #7
Well, maybe you haven't chosen the best way for you to be with others... I don't diminish what you are feeling hlthe2b Dec 2024 #9
Funny you say that. Funtatlaguy Dec 2024 #13
I get it. hlthe2b Dec 2024 #14
Me too LSparkle Dec 2024 #35
That's really all any of us do is merely exist spapeggy Dec 2024 #10
Welcome newbie! Must disagree on the travel thing, though. Not "more authentic", but Meaningful to me... electric_blue68 Dec 2024 #58
We fought against slavery. We fought for the women's vote! RiverStone Dec 2024 #44
Me too claudette Dec 2024 #3
I'm not hateful... 2naSalit Dec 2024 #6
America died when Reagan was elected. J_William_Ryan Dec 2024 #8
Surviving trump2 is the best revenge. Turbineguy Dec 2024 #11
Billions of people around the world have lived their entire lives without ever experiencing your hope and joy. Beastly Boy Dec 2024 #12
There is plenty of joy and hope in this world Raine Dec 2024 #15
I struggle too MadameButterfly Dec 2024 #16
Thanks for the thoughtful reply. Funtatlaguy Dec 2024 #20
America died in childbirth because its Founders were a bunch of simpletons. RedWhiteBlueIsRacist Dec 2024 #17
They weren't simpletons at all; they were trying to construct a government Ocelot II Dec 2024 #31
Prior to 2016/17, I might have agreed with some of what you're saying. RedWhiteBlueIsRacist Dec 2024 #43
I felt the same way on election night that I did on 9/11. Initech Dec 2024 #18
I was EXTREMELY surprised when I heard the HumanGarbageMan actually won. chouchou Dec 2024 #19
We are who I feared we are. Funtatlaguy Dec 2024 #21
Your words are true. Reminds me of a good book I once read: "I have no mouth and I must scream" chouchou Dec 2024 #41
"No matter how cynical I am, I can't keep up." -Lily Tomlin CrispyQ Dec 2024 #22
I'm with Tom Paine on that love/hate relationship. Ping Tung Dec 2024 #23
I am not despondent, I am pissed and angry, and will never view America in JohnSJ Dec 2024 #24
Sorry you feel that way. yardwork Dec 2024 #25
Agreed. When I think of all the real misery in this world - like 10 year old children in Ethiopia who weigh 20 pounds Midwestern Democrat Dec 2024 #56
We don't need you dying. We need you fighting. Sneederbunk Dec 2024 #26
Would you say Germany died in the 1930s? EdmondDantes_ Dec 2024 #27
I never felt this bad when any Republican got elected or StarryNite Dec 2024 #28
This election exposed the hearts of many Americans. Funtatlaguy Dec 2024 #36
John McCain, Mitt Romney ... I could have taken them LSparkle Dec 2024 #37
I'm exactly where you are at Nictuku Dec 2024 #29
America died well before that. The Grand Illuminist Dec 2024 #30
If you let Trump do that to you you're letting him win. Patton French Dec 2024 #33
It was dirty. Musk and Putin were into the vote data. Botany Dec 2024 #39
I have become cynical in my old age, having realized over time Ocelot II Dec 2024 #40
Seek professional help. DU is not therapy. erodriguez Dec 2024 #42
You can discuss your issues with what you frame as 'doomer bs' with the OP. Celerity Dec 2024 #46
The day after the election, my best friend said: yellow dahlia Dec 2024 #47
You're not alone mvd Dec 2024 #48
not dead yet Skittles Dec 2024 #49
I admire those of you that will still fight. Funtatlaguy Dec 2024 #50
I agree 100% kansasobama Dec 2024 #51
I hear you. The conventional wisdom of late seems to be... Hugin Dec 2024 #52
''O, let America be America again - The land that never has been yet ...'' Donkees Dec 2024 #53
I am so sorry PennRalphie Dec 2024 #54
There is one hope left Freddie Dec 2024 #55
Could be a lot worse. Elessar Zappa Dec 2024 #57
Heh... I posted mine w/o reading anything before hand...and it looks like we have some similarity in our pov. electric_blue68 Dec 2024 #60
I Refuse to Give Up the Joy, and Beauty I can Have Right Now to That Scumbag & Co! electric_blue68 Dec 2024 #59
Perspective helps Southern_gent Dec 2024 #61
I was more shocked in 2016 iemanja Dec 2024 #62
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