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Celerity

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38. Many were run out, plus the board's far older on average & there certainly isn't much, if any, new young blood joining.

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Sun Dec 29, 2024, 09:34 AM

Dec 29

There really is not much, on balance, to offer newcomers here.

So many actually good, vital, stimulating articles sink like rocks, whilst fake news/misleading OPs often remain up long after they are debunked.

Not just that, but new replies flow in and wilfully ignore the fact the OP is bullshit.

Also, there is the always irritating, far too common ploy of a person admitting they know little to nothing about a subject, but then proceeding to issue narratives, commands, demands, etc, often invoking logical fallacies, flawed framings, and, unfortunately at times, outright falsehoods, all spun up as if they are the sole arbiter on the subject, self-admitted ignorance be damned.

The level of discernment here is lower than when I joined, and the groupthink level higher. Tolerance of most anything declared to be remotely heterodox is abysmal.

Add it all up, and you hardly have the recipe for a vibrant growing community.

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I feel like the Democratic Party is shattered [View all] samplegirl Dec 29 OP

I think some people have chosen to check out True Dough Dec 29 #1

You are right about this, but there is more to the story... Trueblue Texan Dec 29 #40

My daughter lives in Lubbock, is in law enforcement duhneece Dec 29 #59

I'm sure her situation was repeated all over the state and possibly across the nation. Trueblue Texan Dec 29 #64

these realities highlight the need for barbtries Dec 29 #73

I live in rural Texas and you could not get my neighbors to vote Democrat walkingman Dec 29 #90

Abandoning those areas and people won't change anything EdmondDantes_ Dec 29 #101

I witnessed the entire South (12 states) go from Democratic to Republican in my lifetime. walkingman Dec 29 #119

If requires funds to keep up all of those activities off-season. Local parties are limited. LeftInTX Dec 29 #149

Good for her! samplegirl Dec 29 #68

:( do you trust those people to protect her in a situation. onecaliberal Dec 29 #82

Agree. Lack of local, grassroots recruiting and activies is our weakness. wnylib Dec 29 #144

Traditional door to door canvassing is very difficult in rural areas. The Democratic party focuses on door to door LeftInTX Dec 29 #150

There weren't even political ads in my county wnylib Dec 29 #155

I understand about bdamomma Dec 29 #75

We already know what's going on. We don't need headlines, news cables or on line newssources anymore. we KNOW msfiddlestix Dec 29 #136

Totally bdamomma Dec 29 #148

Fair Point, quite true. It just goes to my underlying conviction currently, there's eff all any of us can do about it, msfiddlestix Dec 30 #166

This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Dec 29 #111

Yep that is where I am right now. At least I don't live OnDoutside Dec 29 #115

I feel like the Democratic party gab13by13 Dec 29 #2

Agree About AOC WiVoter Dec 29 #33

Another agree on AOC Strelnikov_ Dec 29 #77

I've been saying this over and over. ItsjustMe Dec 29 #81

I say the same samplegirl Dec 29 #89

Turns out old white men aren't the smartest anything in the room. onecaliberal Dec 29 #113

Pelosi's Rebl2 Dec 29 #88

can't agree enough about AOC -- she is our most powerful natural political talent cadoman Dec 29 #92

AOC is bypassed because she's a threat to the 1%'s ownership of this country. Oneironaut Dec 29 #95

I agree on both counts. yardwork Dec 29 #105

Me cilla4progress Dec 29 #116

Not shattered..... Lovie777 Dec 29 #3

They better smarten up PDQ Historic NY Dec 29 #4

trump promised everything to everyone and did it way more than Dems LymphocyteLover Dec 29 #6

Unfortunately, we prob need to put kerouac2 Dec 29 #12

We have those all over N.E. Ohio samplegirl Dec 29 #16

I agree Samplegirl... Trueblue Texan Dec 29 #44

Drove thru Pa. kerouac2 Dec 29 #52

The Democratic Party in Ohio is practically non existent! Diamond_Dog Dec 29 #53

We had a schism in 2016 between HRC and Bernie supporters Arazi Dec 29 #128

Totally agree. snot Dec 29 #147

You are right to some degree MuchBetterThanThis Dec 29 #35

I have lost so many friends in the real life that I had to just cut out of my life. samplegirl Dec 29 #85

Walz has a plumber's look but his record was pretty far left cadoman Dec 29 #100

This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Dec 29 #120

"Normal people" displacedvermoter Dec 29 #125

We need a "dirty deeds" PAC. The GOP uses PACs mostly to push memes and click bait. LeftInTX Dec 29 #152

More like our messaging isn't getting through because it's not loud enough and spoken enough times oldmanlynn Dec 29 #48

The special interest groups are going to have to take a seat. BannonsLiver Dec 29 #137

So who are you throwing out of the tent, then? Blue_Tires Dec 30 #164

Nope, not shattered. Patton French Dec 29 #5

I agree about voter suppression. I think that's what tipped the election to the repukes. Diamond_Dog Dec 29 #67

Yup yup and yup Clouds Passing Dec 29 #76

It was the internet- and alternative journalists womanofthehills Dec 29 #135

What happened to all the marches after Nov 5th? LeftInTX Dec 29 #153

It's a party in transition. Baitball Blogger Dec 29 #7

Its rarely been cohesive now I do believe it's taking a little down time... MiHale Dec 29 #8

True look at all the infighting samplegirl Dec 29 #18

All we have to do JustAnotherGen Dec 29 #25

That's what I'm doing mcar Dec 29 #56

Come on "shattered" we lost by a few thousand votes in seven swing states. Incumbent doc03 Dec 29 #9

I think D. U. samplegirl Dec 29 #19

I think people are just burned out. I get tired of all doc03 Dec 29 #39

Any video with Trump in the title, I now ignore. ItsjustMe Dec 29 #87

Gods, yes buzzycrumbhunger Dec 29 #104

Part of that problem is DU's older demographic. intheflow Dec 29 #42

I lurked for 15 years and finally joined. MotownPgh Dec 29 #91

I don't like the jury system. I "don't serve on juries" is in my profile. LeftInTX Dec 29 #156

As you note, they barely won Strelnikov_ Dec 29 #99

shattered, may be a poor choice of words.disconnecting Democratic underground, which we never had b samplegirl Dec 29 #107

Lurked for years found the site in Bushes first term Woodwizard Dec 29 #161

Agreed. The MSM and others are convincing the Democratic Party that it is broken. yellow dahlia Dec 29 #122

If I want to see the Democratic Party dumped on, I'll rely on the NY Times. (nt) Paladin Dec 29 #10

A leader Escape Dec 29 #11

Or, maybe, just maybe some of us need to stop wishing for some magic hero to show up and do what we need to do ourselves Attilatheblond Dec 29 #29

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Yes. We need to build a grassroots based on our values, not just a candidate.nt Trueblue Texan Dec 29 #47

Shattered sounds like a media headline Macrophylla Dec 29 #13

Wait - VP Harris JustAnotherGen Dec 29 #24

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You don't see me at all JustAnotherGen Dec 29 #49

Name the "republicanenablingcorporatedemocrats" and give concrete specific examples each person emulatorloo Dec 29 #157

Shattered? No JustAnotherGen Dec 29 #14

Kamala Harris is very legitimately a "woman of color." MineralMan Dec 29 #50

She identifies as Black JustAnotherGen Dec 29 #79

No doubt you do. MineralMan Dec 29 #84

The problem is no longer about how the dems can win lostnfound Dec 29 #15

This is why we need to unite again samplegirl Dec 29 #20

That's why JustAnotherGen Dec 29 #26

THIS!!! nt Trueblue Texan Dec 29 #51

I started January 2017 JustAnotherGen Dec 29 #62

Agreed. I am concerned about what will be left in four years. yellow dahlia Dec 29 #121

Until we have a media outlet that has our back ... LSparkle Dec 29 #17

All the more reason to find samplegirl Dec 29 #22

FreeSpeechTV Horseshoeluck Dec 29 #108

Right - we need more independent media. yellow dahlia Dec 29 #123

I.wish..... BBbats Dec 29 #21

You don't JustAnotherGen Dec 29 #23

It WAS Harris' turn JustAnotherGen Dec 29 #27

She definitely was not. jimfields33 Dec 29 #31

Most Democrats are moderates. murielm99 Dec 29 #72

How do you deal with that? ItsjustMe Dec 29 #93

Sanders ran for President twice and was unable to win a primary. emulatorloo Dec 30 #167

the legislature is evenly divided bigtree Dec 29 #28

Don't write the eulogy yet. JohnnyRingo Dec 29 #32

Frustrated and exhausted for sure. NewHendoLib Dec 29 #34

We won some close senate races (AZ and MI) and gained House seats Buckeyeblue Dec 29 #36

Disagree JustAnotherGen Dec 29 #54

Taking care of worker is not enough. A person is a whole person, not a only a worker delisen Dec 29 #65

My argument is more nuanced than that Buckeyeblue Dec 29 #118

I hear you. delisen Dec 29 #134

im staying to be a thorn in the side in the upcoming pris and two years . AllaN01Bear Dec 29 #37

Many were run out, plus the board's far older on average & there certainly isn't much, if any, new young blood joining. Celerity Dec 29 #38

We've been talking here for 20 years or whatever Jarqui Dec 29 #41

I completely get this... Trueblue Texan Dec 29 #60

I was asking some of these same questions in a post yesterday. yellow dahlia Dec 29 #126

Thread winner. Boomerproud Dec 29 #132

We don't have to be focused on politics all the time JI7 Dec 29 #43

I felt this way as well but we have to remember oldmanlynn Dec 29 #46

The Dem message was weak and all over the place. It didn't focus nearly enough on what's pissing off many people. paleotn Dec 29 #57

We also cant have our messaging solely. oldmanlynn Dec 29 #83

We still get 200+ replies on some posts. Where you been? paleotn Dec 29 #55

"Taking credit for what we do" is a start. yellow dahlia Dec 29 #127

It is the calm Karch Dec 29 #58

I took a break from the crazy Woodwizard Dec 29 #61

Mix of Demograpgics and maybe we lost some w Bernie IbogaProject Dec 29 #63

Sometimes the bad guys win, sometimes Justice does not prevail, Quiet Em Dec 29 #66

I think, unfortunately, that events... S/V Loner Dec 29 #69

I am still here barbtries Dec 29 #70

Thank Goodness samplegirl Dec 29 #103

i for one am staying off cept for an occasdional check in samnsara Dec 29 #71

I see this and I think, "Oh, Putin is loving reading this while he eats his cornflakes." Lulu KC Dec 29 #74

Putin must really have a lot of time on his hands Hope22 Dec 29 #94

He has friends who do it for him and pass on the highlights Lulu KC Dec 29 #97

I'd love to send him a little message!! 🤣😁 Hope22 Dec 29 #110

. ItsjustMe Dec 29 #78

more headless than shattered cadoman Dec 29 #80

Media is just plain no good! samplegirl Dec 29 #117

TRANS RIGHTS ARE HUMAN RIGHTS BootOutTheGoons Dec 29 #146

Weak, geriatric, and unable to adapt Cthulu on call Dec 29 #86

We put everything we had in this election Keepthesoulalive Dec 29 #96

I don't think so Jilly_in_VA Dec 29 #98

If we are shattered, much of it is our own fault for being complacent & overconfident about beating Trump. elocs Dec 29 #102

1. the Democratic leadership didn't address the top issue of several of my family members. Tetrachloride Dec 29 #106

We, Democrats, have the problem of understanding the complexity of legislation, Bluethroughu Dec 29 #109

It isn't the Democratic party that is shattered, but the country who has accepted the sociopath, sexist, racist garbage JohnSJ Dec 29 #112

Shattered is an apt term. cilla4progress Dec 29 #114

Judging the state of the Democtatic Party ibegurpard Dec 29 #124

Many were driven away. They tried to get rid of me too, but I'm stubborn. GPV Dec 29 #129

I feel like we are a sleeping giant just awaking from a deep slumber. delisen Dec 29 #130

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You make some good points. Abolishinist Dec 29 #154

Huh? hurl Dec 29 #162

It's not just any lost election. Speaking for myself and close friends/fam, we're demoralized beyond description msfiddlestix Dec 29 #133

The system is broken. They deliberately sabotaged it with huge spigots of cash. CrispyQ Dec 29 #138

"I feel like the Democratic Party is shattered" J_William_Ryan Dec 29 #139

There was no jury system in the old days BWdem4life Dec 29 #140

Yep...I won't even do jury duty. My experience was constantly reviewing posts. I would be in the middle of posting LeftInTX Dec 29 #158

We've been living in an Oligarchy for awhile and most Americans can't see it. jalan48 Dec 29 #141

I don't get your post. LudwigPastorius Dec 29 #142

Don't. Iggo Dec 29 #143

We're all angry, dejected and betrayed. Initech Dec 29 #145

I share your sentiments!! Never give up, never give in!! InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 29 #151

Nah, just taking some time off. We'll all be back fighting the Trump mindset, before you know it. OAITW r.2.0 Dec 29 #159

We need to find an sabbat hunter Dec 29 #160

They'll do well in midterms and win the next presidential election. It's politics. betsuni Dec 29 #163

Oy vey William769 Dec 30 #165