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Johnny2X2X

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17. Less than 16% of high school students take calculus

Sun Dec 29, 2024, 01:57 PM

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Down significantly from just a decade ago.

Less than 6% of Americans have engineering degrees.

We get about 70,000 new engineers a year in America, we need like 400,000 a year. It’s an issue.

And while I think this visa issue is being used for an agenda, the country does need to do more to encourage kids to go into STEM.

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The vast majority of tech jobs do not require genius level talent. [View all] Yavin4 Sunday OP

Why does R&D require talent from outside of the US? Why can't we easily train Americans for all tech jobs? 33taw Sunday #1

For R&D and some jobs you really want the highest little bit of that Igel Sunday #4

There are challenges with workers regardless of where they come from. 33taw Sunday #10

There's another thing I've observed w/ horror: parents demanding schools drop subjects because they're "too hard" Hekate Sunday #14

Good Comment Hekate! DENVERPOPS Sunday #19

My mom took Latin (she became a nurse). I took Spanish because it was "pushed" after the Cuban missile crisis LeftInTX Sunday #28

Most jobs in IT are not that hard. Yavin4 Sunday #42

A good number of R&D projects start off at universities on the graduate level. Yavin4 Sunday #44

There's also often a need for experience that's not common. CaptainTruth Sunday #51

A lot of tech R&D requires US citizenship. Happy Hoosier Sunday #57

tell that to the medical professions .... -(nt)- stopdiggin Sunday #2

and here we are (on DU) apparently arguing AGAINST stopdiggin Sunday #3

Wrong. We are arguing against a SCAM. No US employer needs to import tech workers. SunSeeker Sunday #8

the same tired argument we've been hearing for 30 years stopdiggin Sunday #13

What you say is true to an extent... slightlv Sunday #29

Wrong. In this case, they the H-1B visa holders actually ARE taking our jobs. SunSeeker Sunday #58

I don't think anyone is arguing against the system per se, bluesbassman Sunday #9

The "medical professions" that purposefully limit training in order to guarantee high fees? erronis Sunday #23

Is that why? Ughh...Right now it's very hard to get into nursing schools. (Yep!) We still have nursing shortages. LeftInTX Sunday #30

Exactly. Same with the Bar Exam. It's all meant as gate keepers for keeping supply down to keep the pay high. nt SunSeeker Sunday #59

This isn't about the medical profession. Yavin4 Sunday #45

H1B workers will work long hours for less pay ... CousinIT Sunday #5

Yeah, check that... slightlv Sunday #31

And being an on-call anytime system/network technical administrator is a hellish job erronis Sunday #35

Big business needs low wage slaves. multigraincracker Sunday #6

The H1B scam has been going on for decades DET Sunday #7

We don't have a tech skill shortage. Quiet Em Sunday #11

We can't even get kids to take calculus Johnny2X2X Sunday #12

My high school has no problem at all filling up its STEM classes. nt. Voltaire2 Sunday #16

Less than 16% of high school students take calculus Johnny2X2X Sunday #17

Most tech jobs don't require you to know calculus Yavin4 Sunday #38

My experience was that H1B people were on average less qualified than domestic people. Voltaire2 Sunday #15

And then there was the whole routine of slightlv Sunday #33

I work with a lot of PhDs. They are mostly from China and India. Lucky Luciano Sunday #18

That's really interesting. I didn't realize that the quant world was so skewed. erronis Sunday #25

The guys on the actual trading floors are practically blue collar. Lucky Luciano Sunday #40

Oh, I love it when somebody talks techie to me.... frissons. erronis Sunday #48

So we steal the talent investment poorer countries.make in their citizens.? delisen Monday #63

I work at a very high-tech job for a very high-tech organization that requires.... reACTIONary Sunday #20

Same here IronLionZion Sunday #24

I wonder if that's because the clearance-issuing agencies are staffed by white dudes? erronis Sunday #26

Not in my experience... reACTIONary Sunday #54

My interactions with federal agencies like Defense Counterintelligence Agency have been positive IronLionZion Monday #64

That sucks... It's inexcusable... reACTIONary Sunday #53

Actually engineers and tech workers do need to be highly intelligent Mountainguy Sunday #21

Those engineers need to be underpaid RainCaster Sunday #37

Not really. Yavin4 Sunday #39

It's more to do with moving every few months IronLionZion Sunday #22

I saw a graph of who gets H1B visas duncang Sunday #27

That's because the HR screening process has certain set requirements. erronis Sunday #36

More complexity Nasruddin Sunday #32

Oh, man... it's not only the narrow skill sets slightlv Sunday #34

Yep. TV and movies have ruined the field. Yavin4 Sunday #41

All you need is a Bachelors Beck23 Sunday #49

Back in the 80s, most tech people went to vocational computer training schools like Chubb Yavin4 Sunday #52

I am teaching classes in advanced computer protocols RainCaster Sunday #43

As I stated in my OP, high end R&D jobs do require top talent, but that's not most tech jobs. Yavin4 Sunday #46

And "security" is so often way under-funded, under-staffed. erronis Sunday #50

Hiring H1Bs to pay lower wages Beck23 Sunday #47

I agree but also I don't like this idea that the only immigrants ecstatic Sunday #55

Correct. And our farms and restaurants literally could not function without immigrants. SunSeeker Sunday #60

Most all jobs and careers don't require genius level. JanMichael Sunday #56

Ditto that. The most important characteristics are willingness to learn and perseverance. erronis Sunday #61

Corporations use H1-B Visas as basically a scam to pay tech workers less. SunSeeker Monday #62

The danger to middle-class American jobs is not Mexican agricultural workers, but H1B visas and similar subterfuges dalton99a Monday #65