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Yavin4

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44. A good number of R&D projects start off at universities on the graduate level.

Sun Dec 29, 2024, 03:22 PM

Dec 29

So, yes, for these types of projects, you need the best and the brightest in the world. For basic networking jobs? No, those can be done with training and experience.

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The vast majority of tech jobs do not require genius level talent. [View all] Yavin4 Dec 29 OP

Why does R&D require talent from outside of the US? Why can't we easily train Americans for all tech jobs? 33taw Dec 29 #1

For R&D and some jobs you really want the highest little bit of that Igel Dec 29 #4

There are challenges with workers regardless of where they come from. 33taw Dec 29 #10

There's another thing I've observed w/ horror: parents demanding schools drop subjects because they're "too hard" Hekate Dec 29 #14

Good Comment Hekate! DENVERPOPS Dec 29 #19

My mom took Latin (she became a nurse). I took Spanish because it was "pushed" after the Cuban missile crisis LeftInTX Dec 29 #28

Most jobs in IT are not that hard. Yavin4 Dec 29 #42

A good number of R&D projects start off at universities on the graduate level. Yavin4 Dec 29 #44

There's also often a need for experience that's not common. CaptainTruth Dec 29 #51

A lot of tech R&D requires US citizenship. Happy Hoosier Dec 29 #57

tell that to the medical professions .... -(nt)- stopdiggin Dec 29 #2

and here we are (on DU) apparently arguing AGAINST stopdiggin Dec 29 #3

Wrong. We are arguing against a SCAM. No US employer needs to import tech workers. SunSeeker Dec 29 #8

the same tired argument we've been hearing for 30 years stopdiggin Dec 29 #13

What you say is true to an extent... slightlv Dec 29 #29

Wrong. In this case, they the H-1B visa holders actually ARE taking our jobs. SunSeeker Dec 29 #58

I don't think anyone is arguing against the system per se, bluesbassman Dec 29 #9

The "medical professions" that purposefully limit training in order to guarantee high fees? erronis Dec 29 #23

Is that why? Ughh...Right now it's very hard to get into nursing schools. (Yep!) We still have nursing shortages. LeftInTX Dec 29 #30

Exactly. Same with the Bar Exam. It's all meant as gate keepers for keeping supply down to keep the pay high. nt SunSeeker Dec 29 #59

This isn't about the medical profession. Yavin4 Dec 29 #45

H1B workers will work long hours for less pay ... CousinIT Dec 29 #5

Yeah, check that... slightlv Dec 29 #31

And being an on-call anytime system/network technical administrator is a hellish job erronis Dec 29 #35

Big business needs low wage slaves. multigraincracker Dec 29 #6

The H1B scam has been going on for decades DET Dec 29 #7

We don't have a tech skill shortage. Quiet Em Dec 29 #11

We can't even get kids to take calculus Johnny2X2X Dec 29 #12

My high school has no problem at all filling up its STEM classes. nt. Voltaire2 Dec 29 #16

Less than 16% of high school students take calculus Johnny2X2X Dec 29 #17

Most tech jobs don't require you to know calculus Yavin4 Dec 29 #38

My experience was that H1B people were on average less qualified than domestic people. Voltaire2 Dec 29 #15

And then there was the whole routine of slightlv Dec 29 #33

I work with a lot of PhDs. They are mostly from China and India. Lucky Luciano Dec 29 #18

That's really interesting. I didn't realize that the quant world was so skewed. erronis Dec 29 #25

The guys on the actual trading floors are practically blue collar. Lucky Luciano Dec 29 #40

Oh, I love it when somebody talks techie to me.... frissons. erronis Dec 29 #48

So we steal the talent investment poorer countries.make in their citizens.? delisen Dec 30 #63

I work at a very high-tech job for a very high-tech organization that requires.... reACTIONary Dec 29 #20

Same here IronLionZion Dec 29 #24

I wonder if that's because the clearance-issuing agencies are staffed by white dudes? erronis Dec 29 #26

Not in my experience... reACTIONary Dec 29 #54

My interactions with federal agencies like Defense Counterintelligence Agency have been positive IronLionZion Dec 30 #64

That sucks... It's inexcusable... reACTIONary Dec 29 #53

Actually engineers and tech workers do need to be highly intelligent Mountainguy Dec 29 #21

Those engineers need to be underpaid RainCaster Dec 29 #37

Not really. Yavin4 Dec 29 #39

It's more to do with moving every few months IronLionZion Dec 29 #22

I saw a graph of who gets H1B visas duncang Dec 29 #27

That's because the HR screening process has certain set requirements. erronis Dec 29 #36

More complexity Nasruddin Dec 29 #32

Oh, man... it's not only the narrow skill sets slightlv Dec 29 #34

Yep. TV and movies have ruined the field. Yavin4 Dec 29 #41

All you need is a Bachelors Beck23 Dec 29 #49

Back in the 80s, most tech people went to vocational computer training schools like Chubb Yavin4 Dec 29 #52

I am teaching classes in advanced computer protocols RainCaster Dec 29 #43

As I stated in my OP, high end R&D jobs do require top talent, but that's not most tech jobs. Yavin4 Dec 29 #46

And "security" is so often way under-funded, under-staffed. erronis Dec 29 #50

Hiring H1Bs to pay lower wages Beck23 Dec 29 #47

I agree but also I don't like this idea that the only immigrants ecstatic Dec 29 #55

Correct. And our farms and restaurants literally could not function without immigrants. SunSeeker Dec 29 #60

Most all jobs and careers don't require genius level. JanMichael Dec 29 #56

Ditto that. The most important characteristics are willingness to learn and perseverance. erronis Dec 29 #61

Corporations use H1-B Visas as basically a scam to pay tech workers less. SunSeeker Dec 30 #62

The danger to middle-class American jobs is not Mexican agricultural workers, but H1B visas and similar subterfuges dalton99a Dec 30 #65