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Ms. Toad

(37,268 posts)
66. The problem I have is the "facts don't matter" nature of the response.
Sun Jan 12, 2025, 12:38 PM
Jan 2025

Coupled with what happens in the vast majority of instances - the OP doesn't (sometimes actively refuses) to correct the misinformation - and people contribute to respond to the OP (and spread it) as if the fact checking never happened.

When it happens, and the person being fact-checked is receptive, it's a good thing. I've seen a few examples here recently. But most of the time, it doesn't - and what people take away is the incorrect information, rather than the correction. As appears to have happened here with the memory of the original images.

I didn't know what the solution is, but it is a significant problem. The only thing I can come up with is people making an individual commitment to fact check before they post, to make corrections when they realize they weren't factually accurate, and to read beyond the headline and fact check each other. Not likely to happen in this instant gratification and race to be the first to post world. But I'm not convinced it can be externally imposed in any effective manner.

Bottom line we have to care about facts, and to many of us put that second, third or even last when considering posting something.

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We are fact checkers! Clouds Passing Jan 2025 #1
What power do you have? Renew Deal Jan 2025 #52
We have the power, at this point, to check sources of real info. Clouds Passing Jan 2025 #54
disinfo as an alert category is probably a good idea orleans Jan 2025 #68
YES! There should be a "dis/misinfo alert category. Think. Again. Jan 2025 #71
Disinformation should be an alert category, imo Maru Kitteh Jan 2025 #99
Agree blm Jan 2025 #101
when i'm wrong i hear about it fairly quickly rampartd Jan 2025 #2
same Skittles Jan 2025 #9
I get my butt kicked here all the time. Irish_Dem Jan 2025 #26
Me too, and I usually appreciate it. yardwork Jan 2025 #51
But there is plenty of gaslighting.... Think. Again. Jan 2025 #72
Sure. Lots of people pushing agendas. yardwork Jan 2025 #73
Yes, lots. Think. Again. Jan 2025 #75
I get warning DeepWinter Jan 2025 #70
Are you married? True Dough Jan 2025 #77
next you guys will start with the "i told yu so" n/t rampartd Jan 2025 #97
Yes SocialDemocrat61 Jan 2025 #3
from what I can tell, we DO fact-check each other Skittles Jan 2025 #4
No. Fact-checking is what Reply Boxes are for. I also think that is true on Facebook, X, etc. Silent Type Jan 2025 #5
DUers are good at looking for errors. Haggard Celine Jan 2025 #6
There is nothing in the TOS against spreading misinformation Fiendish Thingy Jan 2025 #7
but it DOES get called out here Skittles Jan 2025 #10
Go ahead and post spreading misinformation William769 Jan 2025 #58
I have seen posts with provably false information rise to the top of the greatest page Fiendish Thingy Jan 2025 #63
I have seen DU Administrators toss people for this very fact William769 Jan 2025 #64
Nope JustAnotherGen Jan 2025 #8
We have spell checkers and grammarians. cachukis Jan 2025 #11
Are you volunteering? canetoad Jan 2025 #12
You just volunteered to be a fact checker DBoon Jan 2025 #13
I think we do need an OP alert option for misinformation and disinformation Emrys Jan 2025 #14
Well said 👏 SocialDemocrat61 Jan 2025 #19
Then, even after being called out for misinformation, they continue to post it again and again MichMan Jan 2025 #90
Every one of the people reading this is a fact checker.... William Gustafson Jan 2025 #15
You're a very trusting soul. Think. Again. Jan 2025 #74
We need more receptiveness to being fact-checked on issues of confirmation bias. Ms. Toad Jan 2025 #16
FACT CHECK: Trump Wrongly States Obama Administration Had Child Separation Policy W_HAMILTON Jan 2025 #25
Thank you for making my point. Ms. Toad Jan 2025 #31
I think this exchange is a good example of how well DUers fact check one another. yardwork Jan 2025 #56
The problem I have is the "facts don't matter" nature of the response. Ms. Toad Jan 2025 #66
To me, that's a good example of differing opinions. yardwork Jan 2025 #69
It is not an example of differing opinions, because I didn't express any. Ms. Toad Jan 2025 #81
👏 "We also need more of us to read past the headline, even if it is just the content in the post. Better yet... chia Jan 2025 #60
Greater need for FUD checkers IMO. nt Disaffected Jan 2025 #17
I have received several corrections over the years. SamKnause Jan 2025 #18
Not really. Many times I'm on DU while cable is on and we're quite often... brush Jan 2025 #20
We are the fact-checkers, & do a pretty good job of it. It's outlined in the TOS... Hekate Jan 2025 #21
The Sam Vimes series is my absolute favorite! LearnedHand Jan 2025 #34
The Witches and the City Watch -- impossible to choose, so I reread them all over time Hekate Jan 2025 #37
Doesn't the woman who played Lady Mary LearnedHand Jan 2025 #39
Well spotted! I was blown away when I figured that out. I think there's a consistency in personality, too. Hekate Jan 2025 #41
Please tell me! Unwind Your Mind Jan 2025 #78
Sir Terry Pratchett and the series is Discworld. Start with The Color of Magic. yellowdogintexas Jan 2025 #86
Thank you Unwind Your Mind Jan 2025 #89
This would be a good spot for everyone's favorite Discworld character(s) Mine is The Luggage yellowdogintexas Jan 2025 #87
Granny Weatherwax. Wyrd Sisters was good, but Witches Abroad included a send-up on Hemingway... Hekate Jan 2025 #96
In the football forum, 100%. Xavier Breath Jan 2025 #22
There is one big difference between us and them: surfered Jan 2025 #23
I agree, but the problem is "they" are here too. Think. Again. Jan 2025 #80
Without formal fact checking SocialDemocrat61 Jan 2025 #24
Nah. Moderation, alert juries, and admin take care serious "back and forths". I stay out of the mosh pits. marble falls Jan 2025 #28
No. We should respect and embrace the truth SocialDemocrat61 Jan 2025 #32
We do -- otherwise I wouldn't have stuck around for 22+ years Hekate Jan 2025 #40
I've served on juries SocialDemocrat61 Jan 2025 #46
I'm not afraid of any such thing, as long as there are funds to pay "formal fact checkers" Hekate Jan 2025 #47
Good, No one should be afraid of objective fact checking SocialDemocrat61 Jan 2025 #48
I'll chime in here EarlG Jan 2025 #91
I think Facebook, X and other social media sites should have fact checking too SocialDemocrat61 Jan 2025 #92
Understood EarlG Jan 2025 #94
That's fair SocialDemocrat61 Jan 2025 #95
Excellently explained, EarlG Hekate Jan 2025 #100
Thanks for chiming in Earl. IcyPeas Jan 2025 #104
DUers are well capable of factchecking this board LearnedHand Jan 2025 #35
While true at the moment SocialDemocrat61 Jan 2025 #45
agree with Social Democrat Tetrachloride Jan 2025 #83
I trust the people here. I HAVE seen/read that someone calls-out someone else.But.... chouchou Jan 2025 #27
I get cuffed about on occasion BOSSHOG Jan 2025 #29
Yes krawhitham Jan 2025 #30
We DO! elleng Jan 2025 #33
Nope... I've returned and I work pro bono Blue_Tires Jan 2025 #36
There are fact checkers and there are nit-pickers. Nit pickers are worse. MMBeilis Jan 2025 #38
I'm skilled at both depending on which is called for Blue_Tires Jan 2025 #42
Nitpicking defined as SocialDemocrat61 Jan 2025 #49
Thanks for posting this. Helpful, perhaps, for some of us who are guilty. MMBeilis Jan 2025 #106
we already have some RussBLib Jan 2025 #43
What brought this on? niyad Jan 2025 #44
Not sure for them, but I was just thinking about it. Renew Deal Jan 2025 #53
Absolutely. I've pointed out false info OPs so often (as did others in the threads) & the OP just leaves the bollocks up Celerity Jan 2025 #59
The alert category is "right wing talking points," hedda_foil Jan 2025 #62
That rules doesn't apply to the disinfo I'm talking about. Renew Deal Jan 2025 #67
Yes, that info is usually propaganda meant to sway people. However, when posted here it either: LeftInTX Jan 2025 #85
I've posted a much lengthier response upthread EarlG Jan 2025 #93
I think you're right Renew Deal Jan 2025 #105
I once forgot to post a URL with a news story. Jacson6 Jan 2025 #50
If we were a bunch of liars and conspiracy theorists, I'd say yes. But we're not, so no. Vinca Jan 2025 #55
I think what is needed everywhere nationwide genxlib Jan 2025 #57
No flvegan Jan 2025 #61
Over the years... kentuck Jan 2025 #65
Too often when posts are "good news" on our part, they stay up besides not being factual or provable. LeftInTX Jan 2025 #76
Don't think so, since this is an opinion site and not a factual site. republianmushroom Jan 2025 #79
Will it have a "splitting hairs" component? Will everyone be able to scold other DUers? FSogol Jan 2025 #82
Yes. The shit people fall for... demmiblue Jan 2025 #84
Agree Kaleva Jan 2025 #98
No. We have knowledgeable members & a good jury system. "Coffee lady" 😳 underpants Jan 2025 #88
No, we need DU Crystal Ball so we can predict 2025 and beyond. bucolic_frolic Jan 2025 #102
no Groundhawg Jan 2025 #103
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