General Discussion

Ms. Toad

(35,857 posts)

81. It is not an example of differing opinions, because I didn't express any.

Sun Jan 12, 2025, 12:12 PM

Jan 12

I was solely correcting facts. That is my practice when I correct facts, because adding opinion diverts attention from the fact I am trying to correct.

The images were from the Obama administration. Is is not a differing opinion to provide different facts on a different subject (that Trump started the family separation policy), especially when it is announced as a fact check on my post. A fact check on my post would have pointed out that that the images were indeed from the Trump administration - and (preferably) provided a source to back that up.

Differing opinions would have required two opinions. And while I did express an opinion on general immigration policies in my response, the poster did not return to express their opinion on that matter.

I agree that it isn't a problem that will be solved by fact-checkers. It needs an attitude adjustment that I don't see happening any time soon - and it isn't just a problem on the right side of the political aisle.

Click here to purchase valentine hearts!

Edit history

Please sign in to view edit histories.

Recommendations

1 members have recommended this reply (displayed in chronological order):

rictofen

106 replies

= new reply since forum marked as read

Highlight:

Do we need fact-checkers here at Democratic Underground? [View all] IcyPeas Jan 11 OP

We are fact checkers! Clouds Passing Jan 11 #1

What power do you have? Renew Deal Jan 12 #52

We have the power, at this point, to check sources of real info. Clouds Passing Jan 12 #54

disinfo as an alert category is probably a good idea orleans Jan 12 #68

YES! There should be a "dis/misinfo alert category. Think. Again. Jan 12 #71

Disinformation should be an alert category, imo Maru Kitteh Jan 12 #99

Agree blm Jan 12 #101

when i'm wrong i hear about it fairly quickly rampartd Jan 11 #2

same Skittles Jan 11 #9

I get my butt kicked here all the time. Irish_Dem Jan 11 #26

Me too, and I usually appreciate it. yardwork Jan 12 #51

But there is plenty of gaslighting.... Think. Again. Jan 12 #72

Sure. Lots of people pushing agendas. yardwork Jan 12 #73

Yes, lots. Think. Again. Jan 12 #75

I get warning DeepWinter Jan 12 #70

Are you married? True Dough Jan 12 #77

next you guys will start with the "i told yu so" n/t rampartd Jan 12 #97

Yes SocialDemocrat61 Jan 11 #3

from what I can tell, we DO fact-check each other Skittles Jan 11 #4

No. Fact-checking is what Reply Boxes are for. I also think that is true on Facebook, X, etc. Silent Type Jan 11 #5

DUers are good at looking for errors. Haggard Celine Jan 11 #6

There is nothing in the TOS against spreading misinformation Fiendish Thingy Jan 11 #7

but it DOES get called out here Skittles Jan 11 #10

Go ahead and post spreading misinformation William769 Jan 12 #58

I have seen posts with provably false information rise to the top of the greatest page Fiendish Thingy Jan 12 #63

I have seen DU Administrators toss people for this very fact William769 Jan 12 #64

Nope JustAnotherGen Jan 11 #8

We have spell checkers and grammarians. cachukis Jan 11 #11

Are you volunteering? canetoad Jan 11 #12

You just volunteered to be a fact checker DBoon Jan 11 #13

I think we do need an OP alert option for misinformation and disinformation Emrys Jan 11 #14

Well said 👏 SocialDemocrat61 Jan 11 #19

Then, even after being called out for misinformation, they continue to post it again and again MichMan Jan 12 #90

Every one of the people reading this is a fact checker.... William Gustafson Jan 11 #15

You're a very trusting soul. Think. Again. Jan 12 #74

We need more receptiveness to being fact-checked on issues of confirmation bias. Ms. Toad Jan 11 #16

FACT CHECK: Trump Wrongly States Obama Administration Had Child Separation Policy W_HAMILTON Jan 11 #25

Thank you for making my point. Ms. Toad Jan 11 #31

I think this exchange is a good example of how well DUers fact check one another. yardwork Jan 12 #56

The problem I have is the "facts don't matter" nature of the response. Ms. Toad Jan 12 #66

To me, that's a good example of differing opinions. yardwork Jan 12 #69

It is not an example of differing opinions, because I didn't express any. Ms. Toad Jan 12 #81

👏 "We also need more of us to read past the headline, even if it is just the content in the post. Better yet... chia Jan 12 #60

Greater need for FUD checkers IMO. nt Disaffected Jan 11 #17

I have received several corrections over the years. SamKnause Jan 11 #18

Not really. Many times I'm on DU while cable is on and we're quite often... brush Jan 11 #20

We are the fact-checkers, & do a pretty good job of it. It's outlined in the TOS... Hekate Jan 11 #21

The Sam Vimes series is my absolute favorite! LearnedHand Jan 11 #34

The Witches and the City Watch -- impossible to choose, so I reread them all over time Hekate Jan 11 #37

Doesn't the woman who played Lady Mary LearnedHand Jan 11 #39

Well spotted! I was blown away when I figured that out. I think there's a consistency in personality, too. Hekate Jan 11 #41

Please tell me! Unwind Your Mind Jan 12 #78

Sir Terry Pratchett and the series is Discworld. Start with The Color of Magic. yellowdogintexas Jan 12 #86

Thank you Unwind Your Mind Jan 12 #89

This would be a good spot for everyone's favorite Discworld character(s) Mine is The Luggage yellowdogintexas Jan 12 #87

Granny Weatherwax. Wyrd Sisters was good, but Witches Abroad included a send-up on Hemingway... Hekate Jan 12 #96

In the football forum, 100%. Xavier Breath Jan 11 #22

There is one big difference between us and them: surfered Jan 11 #23

I agree, but the problem is "they" are here too. Think. Again. Jan 12 #80

Without formal fact checking SocialDemocrat61 Jan 11 #24

Nah. Moderation, alert juries, and admin take care serious "back and forths". I stay out of the mosh pits. marble falls Jan 11 #28

No. We should respect and embrace the truth SocialDemocrat61 Jan 11 #32

We do -- otherwise I wouldn't have stuck around for 22+ years Hekate Jan 11 #40

I've served on juries SocialDemocrat61 Jan 12 #46

I'm not afraid of any such thing, as long as there are funds to pay "formal fact checkers" Hekate Jan 12 #47

Good, No one should be afraid of objective fact checking SocialDemocrat61 Jan 12 #48

I'll chime in here EarlG Jan 12 #91

I think Facebook, X and other social media sites should have fact checking too SocialDemocrat61 Jan 12 #92

Understood EarlG Jan 12 #94

That's fair SocialDemocrat61 Jan 12 #95

Excellently explained, EarlG Hekate Jan 12 #100

Thanks for chiming in Earl. IcyPeas Jan 12 #104

DUers are well capable of factchecking this board LearnedHand Jan 11 #35

While true at the moment SocialDemocrat61 Jan 12 #45

agree with Social Democrat Tetrachloride Jan 12 #83

I trust the people here. I HAVE seen/read that someone calls-out someone else.But.... chouchou Jan 11 #27

I get cuffed about on occasion BOSSHOG Jan 11 #29

Yes krawhitham Jan 11 #30

We DO! elleng Jan 11 #33

Nope... I've returned and I work pro bono Blue_Tires Jan 11 #36

There are fact checkers and there are nit-pickers. Nit pickers are worse. MMBeilis Jan 11 #38

I'm skilled at both depending on which is called for Blue_Tires Jan 11 #42

Nitpicking defined as SocialDemocrat61 Jan 12 #49

Thanks for posting this. Helpful, perhaps, for some of us who are guilty. MMBeilis Jan 14 #106

we already have some RussBLib Jan 12 #43

What brought this on? niyad Jan 12 #44

Not sure for them, but I was just thinking about it. Renew Deal Jan 12 #53

Absolutely. I've pointed out false info OPs so often (as did others in the threads) & the OP just leaves the bollocks up Celerity Jan 12 #59

The alert category is "right wing talking points," hedda_foil Jan 12 #62

That rules doesn't apply to the disinfo I'm talking about. Renew Deal Jan 12 #67

Yes, that info is usually propaganda meant to sway people. However, when posted here it either: LeftInTX Jan 12 #85

I've posted a much lengthier response upthread EarlG Jan 12 #93

I think you're right Renew Deal Jan 13 #105

I once forgot to post a URL with a news story. Jacson6 Jan 12 #50

If we were a bunch of liars and conspiracy theorists, I'd say yes. But we're not, so no. Vinca Jan 12 #55

I think what is needed everywhere nationwide genxlib Jan 12 #57

No flvegan Jan 12 #61

Over the years... kentuck Jan 12 #65

Too often when posts are "good news" on our part, they stay up besides not being factual or provable. LeftInTX Jan 12 #76

Don't think so, since this is an opinion site and not a factual site. republianmushroom Jan 12 #79

Will it have a "splitting hairs" component? Will everyone be able to scold other DUers? FSogol Jan 12 #82

Yes. The shit people fall for... demmiblue Jan 12 #84

Agree Kaleva Jan 12 #98

No. We have knowledgeable members & a good jury system. "Coffee lady" 😳 underpants Jan 12 #88

No, we need DU Crystal Ball so we can predict 2025 and beyond. bucolic_frolic Jan 12 #102

no Groundhawg Jan 12 #103