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LeftInTX

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52. My dad worked in aviation and one of his planes was involved in a midair collision.
Thu Jan 30, 2025, 01:56 PM
Jan 2025

They were both flying VFR (not using instruments). It was very sunny. One of the planes had been delayed by 13 minutes and didn't anticipate it. They were both cleared to land at two different airports. There is no indication that the plane that was headed to Oshkosh spoke with ATC in Appleton. The plane headed to Appleton was delayed by 13 minutes and was only five miles or so from their destination.



1972 Lake Winnebago mid-air collision

The National Transportation Safety Board noted that the North Central crew would have had to look toward the sun to see the approaching Air Wisconsin plane[2][6] and concluded that they took no evasive action.[

The report also noted that the decision by both flight crews to fly under VFR rather than IFR and the fact that neither captain requested in-flight advisories deprived both aircraft of air traffic control support, and that such support to even one of the aircraft would have ensured sufficient separation to avoid a collision.[7]

The NTSB recommended that the Federal Aviation Administration create a standardized method for training and grading flight crews in visual search techniques and time-sharing between instrument checks and visual searches, and that the FAA expedite the development of anticollision systems.[11]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1972_Lake_Winnebago_mid-air_collision


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Gosh this seems so ancient. Commercial carriers flying VFR just because the weather was nice? They don't do this anymore. Flying has gotten much safer.

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Thank you UpInArms Jan 2025 #1
❤️🌹 I know so many want to understand how on earth this tragedy could have occurred. 😭 LiberalLoner Jan 2025 #2
Interesting. Thanks for posting. Peregrine Took Jan 2025 #3
Yes, I had read that on twitter too, thank you for sharing that! ❤️ LiberalLoner Jan 2025 #5
Like he said Mountainguy Jan 2025 #14
Training flight Old Okie Jan 2025 #23
Exactly exboyfil Jan 2025 #28
Couldn't' they see the plane though at some point? Meowmee Jan 2025 #42
Just never saw it Mountainguy Jan 2025 #44
Yeah, I guess there were a lot of other planes or whatever Meowmee Jan 2025 #45
I think there Mountainguy Jan 2025 #48
Yes sounds like something like that Meowmee Jan 2025 #50
My dad worked in aviation and one of his planes was involved in a midair collision. LeftInTX Jan 2025 #52
images Ptah Jan 2025 #4
Thank you so so so much for doing this and making it easier for people to read! ❤️❤️❤️❤️ LiberalLoner Jan 2025 #6
Not easier for everyone.... pinkstarburst Jan 2025 #8
Me too claudette Jan 2025 #27
Could you please summarize for those of us with vision problems? pinkstarburst Jan 2025 #7
Images: Ptah Jan 2025 #9
That doesn't help me. I see a black wall of nothing. pinkstarburst Jan 2025 #13
I can't help you. Ptah Jan 2025 #17
#1 cut and paste G_j Jan 2025 #46
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#3 G_j Jan 2025 #49
Thank you so much! pinkstarburst Jan 2025 #51
Thank you so much! ❤️ LiberalLoner Jan 2025 #54
I'm so sorry. I will try to summarize. LiberalLoner Jan 2025 #11
Thank you so much for writing that out. 💕💕 pinkstarburst Jan 2025 #15
You too! A little weepy today from everything, but I'm sure we all are. ❤️ LiberalLoner Jan 2025 #19
Wow. Clearly Biden's fault. maxsolomon Jan 2025 #31
It's Hillary and her emails fault. madinmaryland Jan 2025 #34
Basically, the American plane was told intheflow Jan 2025 #24
Thank you pinkstarburst Jan 2025 #30
Thanks Deep State Witch Jan 2025 #10
Yes it is the most difficult to navigate in the nation, I have read. LiberalLoner Jan 2025 #12
My brother was a career Navy pilot, then a commercial pilot, then he designed flight decks. OMGWTF Jan 2025 #37
Thank you for not linking BoRaGard Jan 2025 #16
Another kind poster provided the actually screenshots for which I am very grateful. LiberalLoner Jan 2025 #18
As an FYI iemanja Jan 2025 #39
👍 LiberalLoner Jan 2025 #40
From my limited understanding of TCAS... appmanga Jan 2025 #20
This is correct. Basso8vb Jan 2025 #29
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Thank you! ❤️ LiberalLoner Jan 2025 #41
Why is a Blackhawk even in that airspace? KatyBR Jan 2025 #22
Seems to me that having helicopters moniss Jan 2025 #25
I'm a retired Navy helo pilot pfitz59 Jan 2025 #33
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Thank-you for posting this Blue_Roses Jan 2025 #26
Trump gutted aviation safety committee days before National Airport crash Glaisne Jan 2025 #32
1. DCA was my crew base for most of my career as a pilot for a major US airline. Bo Zarts Jan 2025 #35
Thank you. You are right. LiberalLoner Jan 2025 #43
You are 100% correct! Jamesm9164 Jan 2025 #53
If I'm not mistaken, this was originally on Reddit qanda Jan 2025 #36
That was a great find Ruby the Liberal Jan 2025 #55
Here is my take on what happened airplaneman Jan 2025 #56
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