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118. If Biden would've done #1 on your list he Harris would lost by more

Sat Feb 15, 2025, 02:45 AM

Feb 15

Gaza was a divisive wedge issue that left Biden and Harris with no good options. If Biden would've stopped aid to Israel already allocated by the Congress that would've been treat as scandal and He and Vice President Harris would've been presented as Pro Hamas to Jewish voters by Trump and the republicans and it would've cost us votes.

Better and more candid messaging is the only thing that might have had a snowballs chance in hell. Maybe explain the realities of U.S. politics and the circumstances of the times. Like it's never been U.S. policy to side with any Middle Eastern Country over Israel and we can't reverse U.S. foreign policy during an election year in a polarized political climate and then go on to explain how Trump would be a million times worst.

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President Biden was dumped for no reason [View all] EnergizedLib Feb 14 OP

Inflation may have been an out of control problem. Omnipresent Feb 14 #1

the "open borders" was mostly bs anyway rampartd Feb 14 #4

Border crossings were not bs, tho. Self Esteem Feb 14 #61

Illegal immigration had been down during Biden's term and arrests were up. travelingthrulife Feb 14 #67

This just isn't true. Self Esteem Feb 14 #71

There is a huge difference in "border crossings" and total undocumented living here. Border crossings were down under B Jit423 Feb 14 #81

Border crossings and undocumented people living here were both up under Biden. Self Esteem Feb 14 #105

Most undocumented in U.S don't come across southern border TimeToGo Feb 15 #116

Irrelevant to my point. Border crossings and those living here illegally were up under Biden. Self Esteem Feb 18 #137

The # of apprehensions reflects the PERCENTAGE of people arrested, not simply spooky3 Feb 14 #115

This is just not true. pinkstarburst Feb 14 #92

Then why did Trump sabotaged the bipartisan bill Owens Feb 14 #103

If it was going to be such a win for Democrats, why didn't Biden do it when he had both the House and Senate? Self Esteem Feb 18 #138

Apprehensions are not "crossings". eom PAMod Feb 14 #114

Apprehensions are not arrests either MichMan Feb 15 #124

I think Dems fatal flaw is that they give people too much credit for being decent. Trueblue Texan Feb 14 #10

Stop wearing boxing gloves to a knife fight.(NT) The Wizard Feb 14 #17

Your first sentence is a badge of honor. rubbersole Feb 14 #30

"Biden Old" Should Have Been "Putin's Puppet Steals and Sells Nation's Secrets." The_Counsel Feb 14 #58

Good way to go extinct as a party in the current landscape. BannonsLiver Feb 18 #140

The gender issue is still a big factor. We're one of the few G-7 or G-20 nations never to have a woman pres/pm. brush Feb 14 #56

I'm thinking the recent inflation uptick is cos "Tariffs". mwooldri Feb 14 #83

The people who fall for the con MadameButterfly Feb 14 #2

Don't waste your time. Hate is what drives them. Meadowoak Feb 14 #5

They love their hate Seinan Sensei Feb 14 #48

Thats true of many of them but MadameButterfly Feb 14 #84

They preface it with "I'm not political" in an effort to pretend Bettie Feb 14 #23

Your words are very true. In the past "Internet Years", I've tried to understand... chouchou Feb 14 #25

You CAN'T reach them. They are lost, completely lost. valleyrogue Feb 14 #59

As for the people we should be trying to reach MadameButterfly Feb 14 #86

You are correct, by and large h2ebits Feb 14 #79

Exactly Cosmocat Feb 14 #3

They sold America out EnergizedLib Feb 14 #7

They sold out their country for a red hat. mtngirl47 Feb 14 #13

They wanted trans-women banned from sports Johonny Feb 14 #44

And now, all those white women are discovering Bettie Feb 14 #80

if "they" could watch both men on a debate stage and not conclude that 1 of them was stark raving mad rampartd Feb 14 #8

Nicolle Wallace and Claire McCaskill come to mind. yorkster Feb 14 #28

Pres Biden shouldve kept to his 2020 prediction & we shouldve had a real primary. Callie1979 Feb 14 #6

What difference would it make ? JI7 Feb 14 #11

I doubt Harris would have won the primary, but whoever won would have been ELECTED Martin Eden Feb 14 #14

I do not agree, Butterflylady Feb 14 #20

I sincerely doubt Musk would swing the election to Trump in a scenario with an open Dem primary Martin Eden Feb 14 #37

Nancy Pelosi is not wise. The others are not wise. suegeo Feb 14 #60

Wisdom is relative. Pelosi ranks high among Democratic House leaders. Martin Eden Feb 14 #66

Pelosi said with great certainty in an interview a few days before the election that we would win the house. Intractable Feb 14 #95

Well said & accurate. Callie1979 Feb 14 #65

You're probably correct Martin Eden Feb 14 #70

Kamala absolutely would have won. W_HAMILTON Feb 14 #85

So then, any discussion of what went wrong or could have done differently is a "pout"? Martin Eden Feb 14 #97

+1 Yorkie Mom Feb 15 #117

She won her debate. Biden did horribly. Thats why he left. She was hamstrung from the jump Callie1979 Feb 14 #24

I agree 90-percent Feb 14 #33

Transitional didn't necessarily mean 1 term ITAL Feb 14 #69

The definition is literally passage or change from one state to another. Callie1979 Feb 15 #126

Well ITAL Feb 15 #127

I agree with this pinkstarburst Feb 14 #94

The election was stolen, gab13by13 Feb 14 #9

And I fear future ones will be too. Scrivener7 Feb 14 #12

Of course they will Bettie Feb 14 #26

I have no doubt Scubamatt Feb 14 #39

The vote was hacked. SammyWinstonJack Feb 14 #19

This message was self-deleted by its author mr715 Feb 14 #53

The media stuck it to Biden while not reporting the bullshit from Trump. Was is fear or the plan? twodogsbarking Feb 14 #15

It was about viewership Seinan Sensei Feb 14 #50

Indeed. It's all about the "likes". twodogsbarking Feb 14 #64

The bigotry is strong, and The Wizard Feb 14 #16

Donald consistently campaigned on increasing prices IronLionZion Feb 14 #18

It shows you how small they really are EnergizedLib Feb 14 #22

I know, right. peacebuzzard Feb 14 #21

He should have distanced himself from Bibi ... LSparkle Feb 14 #27

"We finally beat Medicare!" Jose Garcia Feb 14 #29

Trump said and did things that were bat shit insane Keepthesoulalive Feb 14 #32

Trump looked unhinged but that's his bread and butter. Self Esteem Feb 14 #62

Biden did not run for president Keepthesoulalive Feb 14 #72

We're talking about Biden when he was running for president. Self Esteem Feb 14 #73

I as many other Americans did not watch the debate Keepthesoulalive Feb 14 #74

Yes. Just like a lot of people who didn't watch the Harris-Trump debate heard about Trump's craziness. Self Esteem Feb 14 #106

Put the blame where it belongs . Rich people bought this election. Keepthesoulalive Feb 14 #110

And look at the nonsense we have now EnergizedLib Feb 14 #35

Only the rich DownriverDem Feb 14 #31

President Biden was forced out PennRalphie Feb 14 #34

I agree with this post 100% True Blue American Feb 15 #120

The main reason Harris lost she is a woman of mixed race. Then the issues doc03 Feb 14 #36

And inflation hasn't been fixed EnergizedLib Feb 14 #38

When asked the question about what she would do different than Biden, she said "nothing" MichMan Feb 14 #77

She ran on turning the page and change Melon Feb 15 #121

All she had to say was GusBob Feb 15 #123

Unfortunately DENVERPOPS Feb 14 #91

He was dumped because of a consorted effort by the MSM to push him out. Anyone who viewed the media circus JohnSJ Feb 14 #40

It was never the price of eggs. GoYouPackersGo Feb 14 #41

Bull Raven123 Feb 14 #42

It wouldn't have mattered who ran Mr.Bee Feb 14 #43

The propaganda fed to the Palestinian supporters IS THE REASON we lost this election wolfie001 Feb 14 #45

I thought it was the majority of white people who voted for BaronChocula Feb 14 #76

This message was self-deleted by its author wolfie001 Feb 14 #98

I did say, "Too many racist dumbasses here in the US" wolfie001 Feb 14 #100

Imagine the reaction if Biden had spent 40 minutes Orange Buffoon Feb 14 #46

Considering my love of '60s music EnergizedLib Feb 14 #49

He was dumped for a very specific reason. He was about to get his ass handed to him. Iggo Feb 14 #47

It was that terrible moment during the debate when Biden seemed lost and even Trump did a double take. CTyankee Feb 14 #90

I too thought she was great and was certain that she would carry it. harumph Feb 14 #104

Dead internet (de)bait. ThreeNoSeep Feb 14 #51

Post removed Post removed Feb 14 #52

I mean, from a policy standpoint EnergizedLib Feb 14 #55

There were many reasons Bluetus Feb 14 #54

Thread winner imwo. Boomerproud Feb 14 #57

Gaza was devastating. Self Esteem Feb 14 #63

But we need to be clear. Gaza didn't just happen. Bluetus Feb 14 #78

If Biden would've done #1 on your list he Harris would lost by more standingtall Feb 15 #118

I was about to respond to your headline , but then realized Bluetus Feb 15 #130

Damn Bluetus GusBob Feb 15 #125

But Biden was losing every swing state... GreenWave Feb 14 #68

Well, the establishment went into panic mode and came up with reasons Patton French Feb 14 #75

Videos like this had voters question Biden's fitness to lead and fed Republicans' narrative of Biden DSandra Feb 14 #82

Well, we have plastic straws back at least. KPN Feb 14 #87

He was dumped because a right wing entertainment propaganda outlet appointed itself the 4th branch of the government. Initech Feb 14 #88

Also, you notice that the big name celebrities Bettie Feb 14 #101

Much inclined to agree... GoldenMezzoDiva Feb 14 #89

precisely... B.See Feb 14 #93

That's simply not true oldmanlynn Feb 14 #96

America has a problem understanding the 'D' in DEI. Aussie105 Feb 14 #99

Gas is up .50 a gallon since Scump's orange carcass rolled into town Hassler Feb 14 #102

Hasn't changed around here MichMan Feb 14 #108

Not really FBaggins Feb 14 #111

Is this revisiting the reasons why Trump is now in the White House doing anyone any good? Aussie105 Feb 14 #107

Not a bit FBaggins Feb 14 #112

Border Schmorder. That issue is pure racism. usonian Feb 14 #109

This message was self-deleted by its author Skittles Feb 14 #113

Some of what you said makes sense but wishing for half our country to suffer wont get us anywhere mahina Feb 15 #119

I have no interest in liking terrible people EnergizedLib Feb 15 #122

Hating and wishing people to suffer is a different thing mahina Feb 15 #128

Respectfully, I do not care EnergizedLib Feb 15 #131

How do you imagine you will persuade them to join you to overcome this dictatorship? Or do you think we can do that mahina Feb 15 #132

How did trying to branch out to Republicans work in November? EnergizedLib Feb 15 #133

Sometimes it works, sometimes it takes a while. How do you think we are going to win without others? How did that work mahina Feb 15 #135

That's your prerogative EnergizedLib Feb 16 #136

The whole country is going to suffer, whether we want it or not. LisaL Feb 15 #134

Trump won because of the stupid and the disinterested. flvegan Feb 15 #129

This message was self-deleted by its author BannonsLiver Feb 18 #139