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lapfog_1

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98. dude, he is posting about things from 2 and 3 years ago

Sat Feb 15, 2025, 10:26 PM

Feb 2025

good lord... and you think this is the best source for information?

I don't trust anything on musk's "X" platform. Musk has turned it into a MAGA hangout and misinformation central. Might as well be reposting Pravda.

I managed a group of ex-FSB computer programmers located in Kiev... been to Kiev... and I also had a few people in Moscow, obviously pre-war. And its MORE than a 100+ years of mistrust between Ukraine and Russia.

They may sound similar to your untrained ears... but that is only because you didn't listen to what they were saying.

Russia is guilty of many many war crimes... starting with a war against Ukraine going back 12 years now... maybe longer. We cannot let them keep the land that they have occupied as a reward for hacking our elections

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I know many, especially here... are upset about the situation in Ukraine. [View all] WarGamer Feb 2025 OP

Not pleasant, but it needs to end. I remember reading here as war started that it would end with Ukraine losing Silent Type Feb 2025 #1

Re: "Negotiations MUST include security guarantees from European allies and the US." Mister Ed Feb 2025 #2

Yeah, those guarantees aren't worth much. Especially with a Trump (or Vance) administration that tears up treaties newdeal2 Feb 2025 #8

Not worth much is right..The 1994 Trilateral agreement said the west would protect Ukraine if they gave up mitch96 Feb 2025 #11

Putin will never accept that last bit BeyondGeography Feb 2025 #3

re: victory TnDem Feb 2025 #15

Oh, fuck that. Tommy Carcetti Feb 2025 #23

re: Ukraine TnDem Feb 2025 #25

Ukrainians and the other Slavic peoples radius777 Feb 2025 #29

Exactly. nt Tommy Carcetti Feb 2025 #37

During the peak of the Soviet empire, Moscow controlled everything Tommy Carcetti Feb 2025 #35

Post removed Post removed Feb 2025 #38

Comrade settle down. Swede Feb 2025 #42

. Scrivener7 Feb 2025 #80

A large chunk of our aid to Ukraine is being spent here BeyondGeography Feb 2025 #46

That last sentence is the line being pumped by many Russian bots on Twitter right now, Emrys Feb 2025 #47

Ukraine is on the front line of freedom, radius777 Feb 2025 #49

The Holodimor? Did I spell it right? electric_blue68 Feb 2025 #121

Groups of Ukrainian nationalists also aided the Nazis rounding up Jews in Ukraine in WW2. WarGamer Feb 2025 #53

He's outta here, dude. n/t Emrys Feb 2025 #58

A strange mix of folks get interested in these discussions. WarGamer Feb 2025 #60

Various groups did side with the Nazis to escape radius777 Feb 2025 #67

It didn't help that Ukraine had been through the Holodomor Emrys Feb 2025 #79

Every Arab nation sided with Hitler in WWII. yardwork Feb 2025 #111

Hitlers last guards in the bunker were French. Swede Feb 2025 #81

A combination... WarGamer Feb 2025 #85

Iraq and Iran were part of the Axis. yardwork Feb 2025 #112

There were also some Ukrainian nationalists who stood up to the Nazis and saved Jews Tommy Carcetti Feb 2025 #116

Huh...Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church! Who knew there was such a thing.... electric_blue68 Feb 2025 #122

THIS! My dad, and His dad (Ukrainian Immigrant) Hated The Soviet Union! electric_blue68 Feb 2025 #120

So? Then they stopped wearing the same uniform, Ukraine became independent, and Russia invaded a sovereign country. Scrivener7 Feb 2025 #33

Of course people haven't forgotten, least of all the Ukrainians TubbersUK Feb 2025 #93

That was not the general will of the Ukrainian people! 😑 electric_blue68 Feb 2025 #119

Negotiations not going anywhere? osteopath6 Feb 2025 #16

They will only go anywhere if Putin makes real concessions BeyondGeography Feb 2025 #18

Nor did I suggest it osteopath6 Feb 2025 #19

you might even get a piece of paper lapfog_1 Feb 2025 #43

The OP is the ghost of Chamberlain. BannonsLiver Feb 2025 #127

Comrade Putin applauds your strategy to deny Ukraine all funding Emrys Feb 2025 #51

No diplomatic attempt have even been made? MarineCombatEngineer Feb 2025 #66

But if the war Funding for Ukraine is stopped, then Most Likely the Whole Ukrainian State will be over run by Putin... electric_blue68 Feb 2025 #123

"Here's what he's thinking. If he can end up with a Ukraine that's 30% smaller....." Disaffected Feb 2025 #4

Post removed Post removed Feb 2025 #17

NATO has already expanded to Russia's doorstep. Tommy Carcetti Feb 2025 #22

Asking questions osteopath6 Feb 2025 #26

Diplomatic action has been ongoing since the Budapest agreement in 1994. And it has been a disaster for Ukraine. Beastly Boy Feb 2025 #106

+1. Russia lost the Cold War, and losers don't radius777 Feb 2025 #36

Russia lost the Cold war, unfortunately the Russian proletariat lost the peace that followed Emrys Feb 2025 #90

NATO has already expanded to Russia's doorstep (on several borders). Disaffected Feb 2025 #24

Russia already has borders with NATO countries n/t TubbersUK Feb 2025 #28

Where the hell have you been these last 40 years? MarineCombatEngineer Feb 2025 #30

That Gish gallop has so many untruths in it that I just can't be bothered to respond, Emrys Feb 2025 #5

+100 yardwork Feb 2025 #10

I'm a bit more hopeful that Ukraine won't "fall", whatever that would look like. Emrys Feb 2025 #12

I hope you're right. yardwork Feb 2025 #104

Exactly. My only remaining question is which side of the horseshoe it is coming from... W_HAMILTON Feb 2025 #34

True dat! FSogol Feb 2025 #44

You are incorrect: Putin wants ALL of Ukraine andym Feb 2025 #6

Especially now that TSF is in place. bluestarone Feb 2025 #7

I'd like to know moondust Feb 2025 #9

One problem is that so many Ukrainians have been displaced from those areas or killed, Emrys Feb 2025 #13

The majority of the residents of Crimea are now Russian womanofthehills Feb 2025 #84

That tends to happen after genocide and when you don't want to be part of it (see bold below) Emrys Feb 2025 #91

re: Ukraine TnDem Feb 2025 #14

Ukraine already won the war. Russia will keep winning battles, but they are losing the war. Beastly Boy Feb 2025 #20

agreed... from that perspective. WarGamer Feb 2025 #21

It'll be a Pyrrhic victory if it's squandered in the aftermath Emrys Feb 2025 #31

I don't believe milirary victory for Ukraine is an achievable goal. Beastly Boy Feb 2025 #105

By that token, nor do I believe that military victory for Russia is achievable, Emrys Feb 2025 #109

Beastly..I gotta. Say that your post helps with my depression over this issue..I didn't look at it from that perspective Deuxcents Feb 2025 #69

Russia should only get territory they have already destroyed The Madcap Feb 2025 #27

Oh you! W_HAMILTON Feb 2025 #32

Agreed, a very blatent astroturf. KayossZero Feb 2025 #41

I 100% disagree. You can't negotiate with Putin. Swede Feb 2025 #39

online "experts" wishcasting about the war. lapfog_1 Feb 2025 #40

Unlike most here... I've actually BEEN TO Russia AND Ukraine. WarGamer Feb 2025 #50

dude, he is posting about things from 2 and 3 years ago lapfog_1 Feb 2025 #98

Agree Strelnikov_ Feb 2025 #95

Jake Broe disagrees with you. He still sees a Russian economic or political collapse as more likely Quixote1818 Feb 2025 #45

lol... a top Wishcaster on YouTube. WarGamer Feb 2025 #48

*fingers in ears* LALALA CAN'T HEAR YOU Emrys Feb 2025 #52

Just FYI... WarGamer Feb 2025 #59

The Ukrainians have debunked that theory that Johnson was instrumental in their decision Emrys Feb 2025 #76

I only talk about being right when so many tell me I'm wrong. WarGamer Feb 2025 #77

I've been plain with you about what I find objectionable - it's being categorical and predicting outcomes Emrys Feb 2025 #82

I infinitely enjoy interactions on DU... I've learned so much about topics I knew nothing about. WarGamer Feb 2025 #86

Careful Emrys Feb 2025 #87

Definitely. WarGamer Feb 2025 #89

"I only talk about being right when so many tell me I'm wrong." LudwigPastorius Feb 2025 #102

The "Wishcasting" seems to be going in both directions based on what others are saying about your previous posts Quixote1818 Feb 2025 #57

People also misunderstand me about this WarGamer Feb 2025 #68

I could fill a thread with reputable economists and analysts who've been predicting the same Emrys Feb 2025 #54

I think Syria this past January... Tommy Carcetti Feb 2025 #55

Russia's neocons seem to like it though ck4829 Feb 2025 #56

This you? W_HAMILTON Feb 2025 #61

I didn't think Putin would invade Ukraine... didn't believe that we could see another European WW2 style conflict. WarGamer Feb 2025 #75

Something very icky about this post! displacedvermoter Feb 2025 #62

It's a feature -- not a bug. W_HAMILTON Feb 2025 #64

Understand displacedvermoter Feb 2025 #65

You should see their pro-DOGE OP. BannonsLiver Feb 2025 #126

This you as well? W_HAMILTON Feb 2025 #63

I linked a pre-war NYT article... bad me. WarGamer Feb 2025 #71

Or did you cherry-pick an article and post it here to further a pro-Russian narrative? W_HAMILTON Feb 2025 #83

I still don't get it. WarGamer Feb 2025 #88

From what I can see, Putin was a victim of the regime he'd built around him Emrys Feb 2025 #97

great info thx WarGamer Feb 2025 #100

This could be the future of the U.S. state and military. yardwork Feb 2025 #115

Read The Road to Unfreedom by Tim Snyder. yardwork Feb 2025 #114

What was bad was that you repeated Putin's propaganda. yardwork Feb 2025 #113

I don't repeat propaganda... if I said it, it's a fact. WarGamer Feb 2025 #118

Gee whiz it's almost if there's a pattern... BannonsLiver Feb 2025 #125

I think we are going to see European troops in Ukraine. roamer65 Feb 2025 #70

Agree... I also think Ukraine will be wildly successful after the war is over. WarGamer Feb 2025 #72

Ukrainian military will form the core of the new European army. roamer65 Feb 2025 #74

What's really upsetting is that Elon Musk is the primary benefactor in all of this. Initech Feb 2025 #73

Musk wants the huge stores of Lithium... that's right. WarGamer Feb 2025 #78

I wish our media could hammer this point home. Initech Feb 2025 #94

Hmmm JustAnotherGen Feb 2025 #92

Don't think they will stop at Ukraine Meowmee Feb 2025 #96

Latvia, Lithuania, Romania... Moldova lapfog_1 Feb 2025 #99

Transnestria gives them the perfect motive. Tommy Carcetti Feb 2025 #103

There's some unfinished business in Georgia Emrys Feb 2025 #110

We will have to see if Europe and Nato allow Putin and the Mango Malefactor to dictate the terms of surrender to Ukraine CentralMass Feb 2025 #101

Germany delivering 6,000 HX-2 (swarm capable) AI attack drones to Ukraine Red Mountain Feb 2025 #107

I should add..... Red Mountain Feb 2025 #108

The only negotiation is Putin giving up. alarimer Feb 2025 #117

You want the party down the hall. BannonsLiver Feb 2025 #124

It's a great OP... some of the respondents are the top notch of DU... WarGamer Feb 2025 #129

"Maybe" I am reminded of the Parable of the Farmer and the Horse. WheelWalker Feb 2025 #128