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Abolishinist

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73. As you are familiar with the "Four Horsemen,"
Mon Mar 24, 2025, 12:20 PM
Mar 2025

you realize a focus of theirs was to emphasize that there is no scientific or empirical evidence supporting the existence of a deity. That said, beliefs should be grounded in evidence, and without such evidence, belief in God is unjustified. Hitchens maintains that extraordinary claims (such as the existence of a divine being) require extraordinary evidence, which religion fails to provide.

So here is what I think about that. Science tells us the universe is 13.8 billion years old, the earth around 4.5 billion. Our evolutionary ancestors go back millions of year, but let’s begin at Homo Erectus, say 200,000 years ago.

This means that ‘God’ created the universe 13.8 billion years ago and after twiddling his thumbs for 9.3 billion got bored and formed planet Earth. He then waited another 4,499,800,000 years to witness the first humanoids, but thought it best to wait an additional 194,000 before creating Adam and Eve. Fast forward 4,000 years and we get to baby Jesus, who spent his first 30 years as a tekton before informing the world he was the son of God.

So one of my many questions would be: He waited 13,799,994,000 years before creating his masterpiece. What would have been the difference had he waited until the year 2025, a mere 2,000 years longer, a difference of .0000145%. Would our current population believe someone who said the world is flat, that Earth was created prior to the sun which revolves around us? Would Charlton Heston have had the opportunity to play Moses in the Ten Commandments?

I prefer science, logic, and reason. Your ‘arguments’ sound remarkably like those put forth by Chrisitan Apologists/Nationalists.

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Spot On..!!! Grey5 Mar 2025 #1
Religious addiction is killing us all and the planet. lindysalsagal Mar 2025 #2
This is an outright divide and conquer right wing lie. ancianita Mar 2025 #8
"53% of Democrats are Christian." ShazzieB Mar 2025 #24
Not to mention... ancianita Mar 2025 #27
Well stated! ShazzieB Mar 2025 #36
Atheist here. BidenRocks Mar 2025 #39
Former here. ancianita Mar 2025 #41
Wow...that is horrible 😢 Moostache Mar 2025 #49
Your interpretation is what's horrible. ancianita Mar 2025 #50
5 million children die every year before they reach the age of five. Abolishinist Mar 2025 #55
Ah, the good ol' Sam Harris argument. You're even quoting him. Yeah, I used to be a Four Horsemen atheist. ancianita Mar 2025 #57
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Not at all. ancianita Mar 2025 #65
This message was self-deleted by its author Wifes husband Mar 2025 #66
That's ridiculous. ancianita Mar 2025 #67
This message was self-deleted by its author Wifes husband Mar 2025 #68
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As you are familiar with the "Four Horsemen," Abolishinist Mar 2025 #73
Do you have Josh McDowell on speed dial? Hang out at the Discovery Institute lately? LOL.... Moostache Mar 2025 #56
Though I wasn't posting to you, Moos, your thought process is brilliant, and I read you loud and clear. ancianita Mar 2025 #59
Hell is other people. JPS. JanMichael Mar 2025 #61
Your point is well taken Wifes husband Mar 2025 #70
Imagine a world with no politics as well. Torchlight Mar 2025 #53
If you are insulted because WE, THE MAJORITY OF THE WORLD Conjuay Mar 2025 #60
Study Art & Music History: all the church music, architecture, art of the Western Renaissance began the culture of the W Conjuay Mar 2025 #58
Well, religion is the ruin of everything when it's shoved down someone's throat. mucholderthandirt Mar 2025 #71
Jesus was the first to say all the things you say about religion, and not just his "Render unto Ceasar ancianita Mar 2025 #72
It'd be a wonderful world if religious people would practice what their religion teaches. patphil Mar 2025 #3
I think a lot of religions teach things like "An eye for an eye". erronis Mar 2025 #6
Not so. Christianity's New Covenant teaches love your neighbor. You don't have to like them, but honor their humanity. ancianita Mar 2025 #11
And many, many religions have some version of the "Golden Rule." ShazzieB Mar 2025 #20
First they have to agree on what their religion teaches. Mariana Mar 2025 #54
Brilliant. Actually, it doesn't work at all. Christians in prison in larger proportions than general population. . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2025 #4
Yep, churches and church schools have the Ten Commandments posted all over the place. tanyev Mar 2025 #5
Probably at a greater rate than in the non-religious population. erronis Mar 2025 #7
Great 100th post! 😁 Hope22 Mar 2025 #9
This is one reason why the separation of church and state is so important! ShazzieB Mar 2025 #32
Separation of church and state Wifes husband Mar 2025 #63
Sector 001 CentralBlueTexan Mar 2025 #10
Their ignorance is on them. They are called to study the Word, and have hundreds of chances every ancianita Mar 2025 #12
Funny thing is, they think the same about you. paleotn Mar 2025 #16
Don't be fooled. No they don't. Not the Jesus Christians. They understand that every faith path is different, ancianita Mar 2025 #21
If I will be forgiven for my sins... WestMichRad Mar 2025 #13
Only if you share. rubbersole Mar 2025 #14
LOL!! WestMichRad Mar 2025 #15
The Protestant, "Get out of jail free" card. Catholics don't get that. paleotn Mar 2025 #18
'Bout the only thing they don't get... rubbersole Mar 2025 #26
The Catholic Church was the original christian church. ancianita Mar 2025 #38
Nope. Repenting is an ongoing process in life, not a one-and-done thing. Jesus said that 19 times. ancianita Mar 2025 #22
Isn't Rebl2 Mar 2025 #17
Pretty much all Dr. T Mar 2025 #19
Because human understanding is not enough. ancianita Mar 2025 #23
God's word, Dr. T Mar 2025 #25
When I was an atheist, I said the very things you say. That's your need-to-be-right human understanding. ancianita Mar 2025 #28
All these intelligent theologians Dr. T Mar 2025 #30
So you believe. I've read many theologians, male and female. But hey, you do you. ancianita Mar 2025 #31
There is one god, and only one. Abolishinist Mar 2025 #37
A priest once told me that no one should BlueKota Mar 2025 #33
My mother (a real fundie) often told me that the Bible was inerrant.... lastlib Mar 2025 #42
It's good she stopped trying to get you to accept her version. BlueKota Mar 2025 #44
Actually, she nver stopped trying..... lastlib Mar 2025 #46
why can't people just do the right thing without expecting some kind of reward in the end? Skittles Mar 2025 #48
I don't think you need a promised reward BlueKota Mar 2025 #51
Yeah if Catholic School is supposed to instill morality BlueKota Mar 2025 #29
It does. Doesn't mean it always "takes," does it. That it doesn't in one example is no fair indictment. ancianita Mar 2025 #34
Maybe because your classmate was an ass? 😉 ShazzieB Mar 2025 #35
The problem is that too many followers of religion love_katz Mar 2025 #43
If religion and faith works for you, that's great. Morbius Mar 2025 #40
I like your rules. BlueKota Mar 2025 #45
Religion is a two edged sword. Aussie105 Mar 2025 #47
religion simply is not required to be a good person Skittles Mar 2025 #64
Maybe it's not a matter of morality but a matter of control using morality as a useful tool. Norrrm Mar 2025 #52
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