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NJCher

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36. yes that's true

Sun Mar 30, 2025, 01:38 PM

Mar 30

they are fundamentally careless and overconfident, and that is probably why the cell is there in the first place.

Chicken or the egg. Have at it.

I didn't know Goggins was convicted of fraud, but it wouldn't have stopped me from publishing this article because, having been on the inside of many a criminal trial, I know how the law works. In the 20 years that I've worked with a legal nonprofit, I've seen many people plead guilty simply because they couldn't afford years of litigation with the government, for example. So consequently my views are a bit more nuanced than most.

Regardless of this, you have to look at his arguments and deduce from them. That's why most of the time, a court of law will not let you come in and say, "this defendant did this," or "this defendant did that." It has to be decided n the facts at hand.

That is what you are attempting to do: you appear to be trying to say that because Goggins was convicted of a crime, his other arguments aren't any good. Doesn't fly with the more educated people.

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A powerful cell is operating : The Leak To The Atlantic Was No Accident. Deep Throat 2.0 Exists [View all] NJCher Mar 30 OP

Kick SheltieLover Mar 30 #1

OH in my wettest of dreams! HAB911 Mar 30 #2

I hope this is true. yardwork Mar 30 #3

I thought the same. A highly credible responsible journalist. Would have been a very different story had it been Amaryllis Mar 30 #32

Most reporters wouldn't have had the clout to publish it. yardwork Mar 30 #38

My thoughts exactly when it first came out. NotHardly Mar 30 #59

Direct Hit ZDU Mar 30 #4

United States Military Academy West Point NJCher Mar 30 #5

But he also is a federally convicted fraudster/money launderer who did prison time. Celerity Mar 30 #13

good to know NJCher Mar 30 #22

yw Celerity Mar 30 #23

That's interesting to know - but the fact that he's a crook doesn't mean he's wrong Ocelot II Mar 30 #81

So, is this a nothing burger? ReRe Mar 30 #98

faces up as grifting, especially the price increase Celerity Mar 30 #100

Grifting? Looks like a common substack subscription pitch, on its face. But I don't know the guy. chia Mar 30 #105

Looks like substack to me too. MorbidButterflyTat Mar 30 #132

Ugh. progressoid Monday #142

Who provides info to Wikipedia? "Anyone can edit" MorbidButterflyTat Mar 30 #133

You reveal a fundamental misunderstanding of how Wikipedia works and how to use it. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Monday #145

I REALLY want to believe something like this is going on. Nittersing Mar 30 #6

Whole article is fascinating, and plausible Wild blueberry Mar 30 #7

One cell is not enough. That is the information cell. Tetrachloride Mar 30 #8

It's either this article NJCher Mar 30 #24

looking forward to seeing Tetrachloride Mar 30 #111

The Deep State SilasSouleII Mar 30 #129

Very interesting, but birdographer Mar 30 #9

your question NJCher Mar 30 #17

It is more than protecting national security ButchMcMuffin Mar 30 #72

and how many et tu Mar 30 #86

I'm skeptical of some of this EdmondDantes_ Mar 30 #10

Do we even know for sure it was Waltz who added Goldberg? He has no recollection of so doing. They all seemed to be Amaryllis Mar 30 #35

Yet, he said he would take full responsibility SheltieLover Mar 30 #43

Yes, Waltz invited him. There's a screenshot. Shipwack Mar 30 #77

But who gave Waltz Goldberg's private cell number in the first place? Ocelot II Mar 30 #79

That is a very interesting question... Shipwack Mar 30 #84

But even if they were looking for a different JG, a DoD employee whose number Ocelot II Mar 30 #85

I meant using the search function in signal, not an official government directory. Shipwack Mar 30 #92

Goldberg implied he was trying to interview Waltz about something else. summer_in_TX Monday #139

Goldberg said this morning SARose Mar 30 #87

That's interesting - not that Goldberg and Waltz had met, which isn't surprising Ocelot II Mar 30 #93

I hate to be a pessimist SARose Mar 30 #99

Photos AncientOfDays Mar 30 #102

i suspect... orchidlady Mar 30 #116

You might be thinking of Jonah Goldberg; Jeffrey is a liberal, Ocelot II Mar 30 #117

Could someone in Waltz orbit have simply picked up his phone? pat_k Mar 30 #101

Yes, that definitely is a possibility. Shipwack Monday #137

That's what I've been wondering. nt Susan Calvin Mar 30 #11

This explanation is heartening peggysue2 Mar 30 #12

reference to deep throat is a reference to the water gate scandel where operatives broke into democratic headquartes @ AllaN01Bear Mar 30 #14

Yes Yes Yes...We all know ButchMcMuffin Mar 30 #60

Interesting....thank you democrank Mar 30 #15

Fanciful and speculative Prairie Gates Mar 30 #16

Let's see you come up with a better explanation NJCher Mar 30 #21

The simplest explanation is far, far better: the Trumpies are idiots Prairie Gates Mar 30 #26

yes that's true NJCher Mar 30 #36

His argument seeks to associate two things with only the slightest connection Prairie Gates Mar 30 #40

show me the pattern of grifting NJCher Mar 30 #41

Yeah, I'm a "defraud me once" kind of guy Prairie Gates Mar 30 #49

all legal NJCher Mar 30 #57

LOL Prairie Gates Mar 30 #61

I'm not going to discuss NJCher Mar 30 #63

It's literally what you're doing Prairie Gates Mar 30 #64

the word NJCher Mar 30 #66

Prairie Gates is using the word "literally" correctly but attacking the word is all you are reduced to Bernardo de La Paz Monday #148

My point NJCher Monday #154

Your point that it is "overused" is pointless and logically has nothing to do with Prairie Gates proper use. Bernardo de La Paz Monday #158

Meditation? Link me. Now you want to diss meditiation? Bernardo de La Paz Monday #159

his 'academic credentials' do nothing to prop up what stopdiggin Mar 30 #55

see my NJCher Mar 30 #65

no. it's about whether THIS piece has any real backing stopdiggin Mar 30 #82

He also consistently misspelled Waltz's name. n/t TygrBright Mar 30 #125

also NJCher Mar 30 #45

Yes, that's all true, but how did Waltz get Goldberg's private cell number? Ocelot II Mar 30 #83

This guy is saying that someone got hold of Waltz's phone and inserted Goldberg's number muriel_volestrangler Mar 30 #58

Thanks. I'd been wondering you JG might be. underpants Mar 30 #96

Yes, but the more I think about it.... yardwork Mar 30 #68

I agree, what I cannot figure out is why the Mump circus isn't exterminated yet Tumbulu Mar 30 #95

I think that you are right CitizenZero Mar 30 #121

Agreed CitizenZero Mar 30 #120

I agree. This seems like it takes several big leaps over the obvious. underpants Mar 30 #97

I don't think I buy this. I hep someone is doing this but I really have my doubts about this. Autumn Mar 30 #18

to discard the idea NJCher Mar 30 #27

problem with this train of thought stopdiggin Mar 30 #42

the problem with this train of thought NJCher Mar 30 #47

I can't even begin to follow ... stopdiggin Mar 30 #62

Right. That just isn't going to happen. Autumn Mar 30 #90

Agreed! SheltieLover Mar 30 #48

I understand. People want the military to save us because we have been told they protects us. Autumn Mar 30 #94

Just because something is possible is not an argument FOR its actuality Bernardo de La Paz Monday #149

I like this possibility Red Mountain Mar 30 #19

People want to believe stuff like this, because then they don't have to save themselves and others. WhiskeyGrinder Mar 30 #20

all those people out demonstrating in the streets NJCher Mar 30 #29

Thanks for posting this. I will be out on April 5th trying to save our democracy h2ebits Mar 30 #76

I really want to believe this kkmarie Mar 30 #88

I am always amazed at the factual DENVERPOPS Mar 30 #25

RE: Fox News, broadcast on the Armed Forces Network around the world, as the only news source. reACTIONary Mar 30 #37

Thank you DENVERPOPS Mar 30 #46

I think what Denverpops was referring to was the fact that, if you're on a military base, they usually BComplex Mar 30 #80

really fascinating... FirstLight Mar 30 #28

I am so grateful we still have patriotic Americans WhiteTara Mar 30 #30

kinda doubt it. the first 'leak' mentioned stopdiggin Mar 30 #31

Recommended. H2O Man Mar 30 #33

Being an old H2O Man Mar 30 #123

Well that gives me hope Saoirse9 Mar 30 #128

It is important H2O Man Mar 30 #131

Aaaahhh. A reprise. Saoirse9 Monday #138

Smart analysis. Thanks. Pepsidog Mar 30 #34

This is bullshit. There is no .... reACTIONary Mar 30 #39

nope NJCher Mar 30 #51

Nobody else is coming up with this scenario ... stopdiggin Mar 30 #69

Excuse me but I have tears in my eyes NJCher Monday #144

ah, yes. the 'independent thinker' stopdiggin Monday #150

Only by the hopelessly naive. NJCher Monday #152

and those that believe that things like evolution and vaccines stopdiggin Monday #155

Those items have nothing to do with NJCher Monday #157

Quoting from your own post stopdiggin Monday #160

95+% of ALL Media in the U.S. ( as mentioned in reply above) dweller Mar 30 #44

If slobby were ever completely ignored, even for 48 hrs, he would shrivel up & croak SheltieLover Mar 30 #56

K&R spanone Mar 30 #50

There's a lot we don't know about this story. This could be one aspect. (If there's a deep US cell which added wiggs Mar 30 #52

That is very wishful thinking. choie Mar 30 #53

Ehhhh NJCher Monday #146

It wouldn't surprise me Buckeyeblue Mar 30 #54

The editor of the Atlantic almost to good to be true. gordianot Mar 30 #67

Cell? Kid Berwyn Mar 30 #70

Michael Waltz probably thought it would cool to include a journalist on the chat... AntiFascist Mar 30 #71

Or he meant to add somebody else. Voltaire2 Mar 30 #75

It really doesn't work that way NJCher Monday #147

I have 2 theories on who it is mercuryblues Mar 30 #73

AFAIK it was Waltz who added Greenberg. Voltaire2 Mar 30 #74

Perhaps some hacker had cloned Waltz's phone? intrepidity Mar 30 #106

bogus conspiracy theories are frequently identified by their need to add on new explanations Voltaire2 Mar 30 #108

I've been thinking Blue_Roses Mar 30 #78

Take the time to read the entire article. It will definitely improve your state of mind. flashman13 Mar 30 #89

I agree. Click the link. Read the whole article. Silver Gaia Mar 30 #124

I agree.... Viz Mar 30 #135

This message was self-deleted by its author Viz Mar 30 #136

I just hate it when they write Walz for Waltz. tavernier Mar 30 #91

This would give poo poo King the green light to purge the deep state. GreenWave Mar 30 #103

Seriously? Are we really supposed to believe Bluetus Mar 30 #104

"reuck"? Bernardo de La Paz Monday #153

I hope so seta1950 Mar 30 #107

I find it strange that Vance was the one that said he thought it was a mistake. doc03 Mar 30 #109

We need both Deep throat and anonymous to report the criminality of this illegal administration and expose that they're kimbutgar Mar 30 #110

As if they know Bettie Mar 30 #112

After Rebl2 Mar 30 #113

What plan? Meowmee Mar 30 #114

my bet .... DoBW Mar 30 #115

In order to save my country, I need to betray it. Xolodno Mar 30 #118

"rank and file member"? Hah! Look it up again or for the first time . . . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Monday #156

Thanks for posting NJCher. Verrrrry in-ter-es-ting! Clouds Passing Mar 30 #119

I have a journalist friend who postulated this on Facebook Maeve Mar 30 #122

Whether this article is true or not, it will ratchet up the regime's paranoia... TygrBright Mar 30 #126

thanks...interesting read stillcool Mar 30 #127

I mentioned this in a prev. thread proud patriot Mar 30 #130

Thanks for this MorbidButterflyTat Mar 30 #134

It has been cold pontooning weather of late Blue Owl Monday #140

Link to another post about the same substack author writing a follow up article CitizenZero Monday #141

The OP sounds like spy fiction CitizenZero Monday #143

The writer says he is NJCher Monday #151

There is no need for a witch hunt. When you add someone to a Signal group (I use the app)... Pacifist Patriot Monday #161

"Never rush to attribute to malice that which may simply be due to incompetence." eppur_se_muova Monday #162

Then don't leak information that compromises sensitive information HereForTheParty Monday #163

Oh, how I hope this is true. sekha68 Monday #164