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58. This guy is saying that someone got hold of Waltz's phone and inserted Goldberg's number

Sun Mar 30, 2025, 02:12 PM

Mar 30

and then either added Goldberg to the group themselves, or disguised Goldberg's number in such a way that Waltz thought he was adding someone else. This guy is also asserting that this must have been connected to a simple "tell the NYT Musk is getting a briefing on China" leak. They're 2 different things, in different organizations (the hacking of the phone not being a Pentagon speciality). It's speculation without decent evidence.

The better explanation is that Waltz added Goldberg's number himself to the phone some time (eg, as NS Adviser, he thought it might prove useful to contact an editor at some point), quite possibly under the initials "JG", and he meant to add Jamieson Greer, US Trade Representative, to the group on the Red Sea attack. ie Waltz is careless. This is, of course, the explanation that nearly all other commentators have gone with.

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A powerful cell is operating : The Leak To The Atlantic Was No Accident. Deep Throat 2.0 Exists [View all] NJCher Mar 30 OP

Kick SheltieLover Mar 30 #1

OH in my wettest of dreams! HAB911 Mar 30 #2

I hope this is true. yardwork Mar 30 #3

I thought the same. A highly credible responsible journalist. Would have been a very different story had it been Amaryllis Mar 30 #32

Most reporters wouldn't have had the clout to publish it. yardwork Mar 30 #38

My thoughts exactly when it first came out. NotHardly Mar 30 #59

Direct Hit ZDU Mar 30 #4

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But he also is a federally convicted fraudster/money launderer who did prison time. Celerity Mar 30 #13

good to know NJCher Mar 30 #22

yw Celerity Mar 30 #23

That's interesting to know - but the fact that he's a crook doesn't mean he's wrong Ocelot II Mar 30 #81

So, is this a nothing burger? ReRe Mar 30 #98

faces up as grifting, especially the price increase Celerity Mar 30 #100

Grifting? Looks like a common substack subscription pitch, on its face. But I don't know the guy. chia Mar 30 #105

Looks like substack to me too. MorbidButterflyTat Mar 30 #132

Ugh. progressoid Monday #142

Who provides info to Wikipedia? "Anyone can edit" MorbidButterflyTat Mar 30 #133

You reveal a fundamental misunderstanding of how Wikipedia works and how to use it. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Monday #145

I REALLY want to believe something like this is going on. Nittersing Mar 30 #6

Whole article is fascinating, and plausible Wild blueberry Mar 30 #7

One cell is not enough. That is the information cell. Tetrachloride Mar 30 #8

It's either this article NJCher Mar 30 #24

looking forward to seeing Tetrachloride Mar 30 #111

The Deep State SilasSouleII Mar 30 #129

Very interesting, but birdographer Mar 30 #9

your question NJCher Mar 30 #17

It is more than protecting national security ButchMcMuffin Mar 30 #72

and how many et tu Mar 30 #86

I'm skeptical of some of this EdmondDantes_ Mar 30 #10

Do we even know for sure it was Waltz who added Goldberg? He has no recollection of so doing. They all seemed to be Amaryllis Mar 30 #35

Yet, he said he would take full responsibility SheltieLover Mar 30 #43

Yes, Waltz invited him. There's a screenshot. Shipwack Mar 30 #77

But who gave Waltz Goldberg's private cell number in the first place? Ocelot II Mar 30 #79

That is a very interesting question... Shipwack Mar 30 #84

But even if they were looking for a different JG, a DoD employee whose number Ocelot II Mar 30 #85

I meant using the search function in signal, not an official government directory. Shipwack Mar 30 #92

Goldberg implied he was trying to interview Waltz about something else. summer_in_TX Monday #139

Goldberg said this morning SARose Mar 30 #87

That's interesting - not that Goldberg and Waltz had met, which isn't surprising Ocelot II Mar 30 #93

I hate to be a pessimist SARose Mar 30 #99

Photos AncientOfDays Mar 30 #102

i suspect... orchidlady Mar 30 #116

You might be thinking of Jonah Goldberg; Jeffrey is a liberal, Ocelot II Mar 30 #117

Could someone in Waltz orbit have simply picked up his phone? pat_k Mar 30 #101

Yes, that definitely is a possibility. Shipwack Monday #137

That's what I've been wondering. nt Susan Calvin Mar 30 #11

This explanation is heartening peggysue2 Mar 30 #12

reference to deep throat is a reference to the water gate scandel where operatives broke into democratic headquartes @ AllaN01Bear Mar 30 #14

Yes Yes Yes...We all know ButchMcMuffin Mar 30 #60

Interesting....thank you democrank Mar 30 #15

Fanciful and speculative Prairie Gates Mar 30 #16

Let's see you come up with a better explanation NJCher Mar 30 #21

The simplest explanation is far, far better: the Trumpies are idiots Prairie Gates Mar 30 #26

yes that's true NJCher Mar 30 #36

His argument seeks to associate two things with only the slightest connection Prairie Gates Mar 30 #40

show me the pattern of grifting NJCher Mar 30 #41

Yeah, I'm a "defraud me once" kind of guy Prairie Gates Mar 30 #49

all legal NJCher Mar 30 #57

LOL Prairie Gates Mar 30 #61

I'm not going to discuss NJCher Mar 30 #63

It's literally what you're doing Prairie Gates Mar 30 #64

the word NJCher Mar 30 #66

Prairie Gates is using the word "literally" correctly but attacking the word is all you are reduced to Bernardo de La Paz Monday #148

My point NJCher Monday #154

Your point that it is "overused" is pointless and logically has nothing to do with Prairie Gates proper use. Bernardo de La Paz Monday #158

Meditation? Link me. Now you want to diss meditiation? Bernardo de La Paz Monday #159

his 'academic credentials' do nothing to prop up what stopdiggin Mar 30 #55

see my NJCher Mar 30 #65

no. it's about whether THIS piece has any real backing stopdiggin Mar 30 #82

He also consistently misspelled Waltz's name. n/t TygrBright Mar 30 #125

also NJCher Mar 30 #45

Yes, that's all true, but how did Waltz get Goldberg's private cell number? Ocelot II Mar 30 #83

This guy is saying that someone got hold of Waltz's phone and inserted Goldberg's number muriel_volestrangler Mar 30 #58

Thanks. I'd been wondering you JG might be. underpants Mar 30 #96

Yes, but the more I think about it.... yardwork Mar 30 #68

I agree, what I cannot figure out is why the Mump circus isn't exterminated yet Tumbulu Mar 30 #95

I think that you are right CitizenZero Mar 30 #121

Agreed CitizenZero Mar 30 #120

I agree. This seems like it takes several big leaps over the obvious. underpants Mar 30 #97

I don't think I buy this. I hep someone is doing this but I really have my doubts about this. Autumn Mar 30 #18

to discard the idea NJCher Mar 30 #27

problem with this train of thought stopdiggin Mar 30 #42

the problem with this train of thought NJCher Mar 30 #47

I can't even begin to follow ... stopdiggin Mar 30 #62

Right. That just isn't going to happen. Autumn Mar 30 #90

Agreed! SheltieLover Mar 30 #48

I understand. People want the military to save us because we have been told they protects us. Autumn Mar 30 #94

Just because something is possible is not an argument FOR its actuality Bernardo de La Paz Monday #149

I like this possibility Red Mountain Mar 30 #19

People want to believe stuff like this, because then they don't have to save themselves and others. WhiskeyGrinder Mar 30 #20

all those people out demonstrating in the streets NJCher Mar 30 #29

Thanks for posting this. I will be out on April 5th trying to save our democracy h2ebits Mar 30 #76

I really want to believe this kkmarie Mar 30 #88

I am always amazed at the factual DENVERPOPS Mar 30 #25

RE: Fox News, broadcast on the Armed Forces Network around the world, as the only news source. reACTIONary Mar 30 #37

Thank you DENVERPOPS Mar 30 #46

I think what Denverpops was referring to was the fact that, if you're on a military base, they usually BComplex Mar 30 #80

really fascinating... FirstLight Mar 30 #28

I am so grateful we still have patriotic Americans WhiteTara Mar 30 #30

kinda doubt it. the first 'leak' mentioned stopdiggin Mar 30 #31

Recommended. H2O Man Mar 30 #33

Being an old H2O Man Mar 30 #123

Well that gives me hope Saoirse9 Mar 30 #128

It is important H2O Man Mar 30 #131

Aaaahhh. A reprise. Saoirse9 Monday #138

Smart analysis. Thanks. Pepsidog Mar 30 #34

This is bullshit. There is no .... reACTIONary Mar 30 #39

nope NJCher Mar 30 #51

Nobody else is coming up with this scenario ... stopdiggin Mar 30 #69

Excuse me but I have tears in my eyes NJCher Monday #144

ah, yes. the 'independent thinker' stopdiggin Monday #150

Only by the hopelessly naive. NJCher Monday #152

and those that believe that things like evolution and vaccines stopdiggin Monday #155

Those items have nothing to do with NJCher Monday #157

Quoting from your own post stopdiggin Monday #160

95+% of ALL Media in the U.S. ( as mentioned in reply above) dweller Mar 30 #44

If slobby were ever completely ignored, even for 48 hrs, he would shrivel up & croak SheltieLover Mar 30 #56

K&R spanone Mar 30 #50

There's a lot we don't know about this story. This could be one aspect. (If there's a deep US cell which added wiggs Mar 30 #52

That is very wishful thinking. choie Mar 30 #53

Ehhhh NJCher Monday #146

It wouldn't surprise me Buckeyeblue Mar 30 #54

The editor of the Atlantic almost to good to be true. gordianot Mar 30 #67

Cell? Kid Berwyn Mar 30 #70

Michael Waltz probably thought it would cool to include a journalist on the chat... AntiFascist Mar 30 #71

Or he meant to add somebody else. Voltaire2 Mar 30 #75

It really doesn't work that way NJCher Monday #147

I have 2 theories on who it is mercuryblues Mar 30 #73

AFAIK it was Waltz who added Greenberg. Voltaire2 Mar 30 #74

Perhaps some hacker had cloned Waltz's phone? intrepidity Mar 30 #106

bogus conspiracy theories are frequently identified by their need to add on new explanations Voltaire2 Mar 30 #108

I've been thinking Blue_Roses Mar 30 #78

Take the time to read the entire article. It will definitely improve your state of mind. flashman13 Mar 30 #89

I agree. Click the link. Read the whole article. Silver Gaia Mar 30 #124

I agree.... Viz Mar 30 #135

This message was self-deleted by its author Viz Mar 30 #136

I just hate it when they write Walz for Waltz. tavernier Mar 30 #91

This would give poo poo King the green light to purge the deep state. GreenWave Mar 30 #103

Seriously? Are we really supposed to believe Bluetus Mar 30 #104

"reuck"? Bernardo de La Paz Monday #153

I hope so seta1950 Mar 30 #107

I find it strange that Vance was the one that said he thought it was a mistake. doc03 Mar 30 #109

We need both Deep throat and anonymous to report the criminality of this illegal administration and expose that they're kimbutgar Mar 30 #110

As if they know Bettie Mar 30 #112

After Rebl2 Mar 30 #113

What plan? Meowmee Mar 30 #114

my bet .... DoBW Mar 30 #115

In order to save my country, I need to betray it. Xolodno Mar 30 #118

"rank and file member"? Hah! Look it up again or for the first time . . . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Monday #156

Thanks for posting NJCher. Verrrrry in-ter-es-ting! Clouds Passing Mar 30 #119

I have a journalist friend who postulated this on Facebook Maeve Mar 30 #122

Whether this article is true or not, it will ratchet up the regime's paranoia... TygrBright Mar 30 #126

thanks...interesting read stillcool Mar 30 #127

I mentioned this in a prev. thread proud patriot Mar 30 #130

Thanks for this MorbidButterflyTat Mar 30 #134

It has been cold pontooning weather of late Blue Owl Monday #140

Link to another post about the same substack author writing a follow up article CitizenZero Monday #141

The OP sounds like spy fiction CitizenZero Monday #143

The writer says he is NJCher Monday #151

There is no need for a witch hunt. When you add someone to a Signal group (I use the app)... Pacifist Patriot Monday #161

"Never rush to attribute to malice that which may simply be due to incompetence." eppur_se_muova Monday #162

Then don't leak information that compromises sensitive information HereForTheParty Monday #163

Oh, how I hope this is true. sekha68 Monday #164