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In reply to the discussion: I Just Lost My Job Because I'm An American "The world has lost patience with us, even if we didn't vote for Donald Trump [View all]OneGrassRoot
(23,699 posts)10. Check this out:
I knew Elon had talked about UBI before going to the extreme dark side, but it seems he made comments about it as recent as May 2024. He actually may still believe in it and I can actually see him doing all the awful stuff he's doing to usher in what may be inevitable (re: AI and need for UBI), and in his naivete may be assuming the GOP is in favor of UBI too. But that's where he'd be very, very wrong.
In fact, I wonder how many non-MAGA people would be in favor of UBI? This suffering puritan work ethic is so ingrained and a source of pride for so many. Personally, I think UBI would be wonderful and it's already needed. I have no ego qualms with it at all.
Here are Musk's eight best quotes about UBI, lightly edited for length and clarity:
"There's a pretty good chance we end up with a universal basic income, or something like that, due to automation. I'm not sure what else one would do. I think that is what would happen. People will have time to do other things, more complex things, more interesting things. Certainly more leisure time." (CNBC, November 4, 2016).
"I think we'll end up doing universal basic income. It's going to be necessary. There will be fewer and fewer jobs that a robot cannot do better. I want to be clear: These are not things I wish will happen — these are things I think probably will happen." (World Government Summit in Dubai, February 13, 2017)
"Universal income will be necessary over time if AI takes over most human jobs. Also think there should be a universal basic income that doesn't change even if you get a job. Productivity should be rewarded." (X posts, June 15 and June 20, 2018)
"I'm in *favor* of universal basic income. Goal of government should be to maximize the happiness of the people. Giving each person money allows them to decide what meets their needs, rather than the blunt tool of legislation, which creates self-serving special interests. If we do a stimulus at all, it should just be direct payments to consumers." (X post, July 24, 2020)
"The $1400 is mostly good imo (UBI lite), as the people get to choose how the money is spent, but the rest is mostly net bad for the people as a whole." (Commenting on pandemic stimulus in a X post, March 6, 2021)
"What is the economy at its foundation? It is labor. So what happens when there is no shortage of labor? This is why I think long-term, there will need to be universal basic income." (AI Day, August 2021)
"There will be universal high income, not basic, in a positive AI future. No scarcity, except that which we define to be scarce. In that scenario, everyone can have whatever goods & services they want. It is less clear how we will find meaning in a world where work is optional. (X post, December 25, 2023)
"In a benign scenario, probably none of us will have a job. There would be universal high income. There would be no shortage of goods and services. The question will really be one of meaning: if a computer can do, and the robots can do, everything better than you, does your life have meaning? I do think there's perhaps still a role for humans in that we may give AI meaning." (VivaTech, May 23, 2024).
"There's a pretty good chance we end up with a universal basic income, or something like that, due to automation. I'm not sure what else one would do. I think that is what would happen. People will have time to do other things, more complex things, more interesting things. Certainly more leisure time." (CNBC, November 4, 2016).
"I think we'll end up doing universal basic income. It's going to be necessary. There will be fewer and fewer jobs that a robot cannot do better. I want to be clear: These are not things I wish will happen — these are things I think probably will happen." (World Government Summit in Dubai, February 13, 2017)
"Universal income will be necessary over time if AI takes over most human jobs. Also think there should be a universal basic income that doesn't change even if you get a job. Productivity should be rewarded." (X posts, June 15 and June 20, 2018)
"I'm in *favor* of universal basic income. Goal of government should be to maximize the happiness of the people. Giving each person money allows them to decide what meets their needs, rather than the blunt tool of legislation, which creates self-serving special interests. If we do a stimulus at all, it should just be direct payments to consumers." (X post, July 24, 2020)
"The $1400 is mostly good imo (UBI lite), as the people get to choose how the money is spent, but the rest is mostly net bad for the people as a whole." (Commenting on pandemic stimulus in a X post, March 6, 2021)
"What is the economy at its foundation? It is labor. So what happens when there is no shortage of labor? This is why I think long-term, there will need to be universal basic income." (AI Day, August 2021)
"There will be universal high income, not basic, in a positive AI future. No scarcity, except that which we define to be scarce. In that scenario, everyone can have whatever goods & services they want. It is less clear how we will find meaning in a world where work is optional. (X post, December 25, 2023)
"In a benign scenario, probably none of us will have a job. There would be universal high income. There would be no shortage of goods and services. The question will really be one of meaning: if a computer can do, and the robots can do, everything better than you, does your life have meaning? I do think there's perhaps still a role for humans in that we may give AI meaning." (VivaTech, May 23, 2024).
https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-universal-basic-income-ubi-ai-automation-unemployment-quotes-2024-6
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I Just Lost My Job Because I'm An American "The world has lost patience with us, even if we didn't vote for Donald Trump [View all]
IrishBubbaLiberal
Mar 30
OP
You nailed it. Few people understand how truly important a trustworthy brand is.
CaptainTruth
Mar 30
#27
He lost work because his skill isn't in demand anymore, which is a *little* different.
WhiskeyGrinder
Mar 30
#7
I thought it was interesting. A lot of people in the world see America as a bully, and an American accent in other
WhiskeyGrinder
Mar 30
#31
It definitely wouldn't fly with that crowd, at least not their public protestations...
OneGrassRoot
Mar 30
#14
Exactly. Trump is deliberately and carefully destroying the American brand and the country on purpose.
Irish_Dem
Mar 30
#13
Guilt by association is unfortunate. All of us from the US have to accept the damage Trump does to us internationallhy.
patphil
Mar 30
#16
"justifiably and patriotically uniting against our now-enemy nation led by a mad king."
Demovictory9
Mar 30
#18
Well, I think movies will have to be made inside the U.S. with a lot of AI...
Justice matters.
Mar 30
#33