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ForgedCrank

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30. Those who
Thu Apr 3, 2025, 02:06 PM
Apr 2025

insist on hard lines and black/white reasoning seem to be only interested in arguing rather than accepting uncomfortable truths.
All of this can be true at the same time. For example, I think Hamas is full of sh** and propaganda, nothing they say can be trusted. After all, propaganda is their primary weapon in the war against the Jews and Israel. I also think that that majority of those killed are either Hamas operatives themselves, or they are supporters of Hamas who voted these barbarians into power, fully supporting them. I also believe there are a smaller number of innocent people getting killed on both sides of that border. All of these things can be true at the same time so I'm not sure why some people can't accept that.
I also don't think the life of an Israeli Jew has any more value than the life of a Palestinian. But to be very frank about it, I'm going to condemn those who chose war over those who are attempting to stop it, and that means I side with Israel on this matter. War is terrible because casualties and horrible death are a consequence of it. And lets be honest, if Israel intended to commit "genocide" as is often insisted here, it would already be done. There wouldn't be a square inch left in the strip that wasn't charred black.

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Post removed Post removed Apr 2025 #1
Explain Mossfern Apr 2025 #2
shocked. OilemFirchen Apr 2025 #3
Gee, what a surprise mcar Apr 2025 #4
HonestReporting is an advocacy group, not a journalistic or reporting group, fwiw. WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2025 #5
It's also a promoter of nationalistic propaganda. Violet_Crumble Apr 2025 #9
I believe the point of the OP is that Hamas has no credibility, not Hamas suddenly becoming credible. Beastly Boy Apr 2025 #11
If you read what I posted.. Violet_Crumble Apr 2025 #13
Neither was I, if you read what I posted. Beastly Boy Apr 2025 #15
I read and comprehended yr post. Violet_Crumble Apr 2025 #24
I will certainly respond accordingly the minute I see a genuine effort to have a constructive discussion. Beastly Boy Apr 2025 #25
Enjoy! AloeVera Apr 2025 #29
Well, well, well, would you look at that. sheshe2 Apr 2025 #6
50,021 deaths happened. Plus 14,000 under rubble. AloeVera Apr 2025 #10
Not even Hamas is taking the numbers you are using seriously anymore. Beastly Boy Apr 2025 #12
For those who can't feel the deaths of innocents AloeVera Apr 2025 #14
You must have misunderstood what I posted. Beastly Boy Apr 2025 #18
You make no secret of your side lol. AloeVera Apr 2025 #20
Nice, I could't have asked for a better illustration of grossly misinformed anti-Israel bias. Beastly Boy Apr 2025 #31
I have been critical of Israel's conduct of the war. Bears no relation to Israel as a society. AloeVera Apr 2025 #35
Coulda fooled me! Beastly Boy Apr 2025 #40
All the more reason to believe my outrage and anger are real and not "performative" - no? AloeVera Apr 2025 #43
No. In fact, your post explicitly confirms the bias in your outrage and its disingenuous nature. Beastly Boy Apr 2025 #44
Lol. You are quite amusing, I've decided. AloeVera Apr 2025 #45
In deference to the DU terms of service. You know what this means, don't you? Beastly Boy Apr 2025 #46
Have a nice day Beastly Boy. AloeVera Apr 2025 #47
Thank you. I will. Beastly Boy Apr 2025 #48
Those who ForgedCrank Apr 2025 #30
It's weird. sheshe2 Apr 2025 #22
The 50K+ dead is still true. Verified and ID'd and formally reported. AloeVera Apr 2025 #28
Indeed, She Hekate Apr 2025 #16
Really? I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell to you. iemanja Apr 2025 #7
Does your bridge confirm or deny the credibility of Hamas' numbers? Beastly Boy Apr 2025 #19
Poor Lying Hamas Butchers. They can Fry in Hell. Cha Apr 2025 #8
Indeed, Cha Hekate Apr 2025 #17
Yes We Shall, Hekate.. on all Cha Apr 2025 #21
I wonder... AloeVera Apr 2025 #23
Good question. If you can't confirm or deny what Hamas is reporting at any given moment, Beastly Boy Apr 2025 #32
It's not Hamas that categorized them as "men". AloeVera Apr 2025 #37
You don't say! Beastly Boy Apr 2025 #39
Of course "men" are categorized by Hamas. AloeVera Apr 2025 #41
Right atreides1 Apr 2025 #26
No, we just have one more reason to disbelieve Hamas. Beastly Boy Apr 2025 #34
Freedom fighters do not lie. nt LexVegas Apr 2025 #27
Not unusual for them. betsuni Apr 2025 #33
Where are those numbers? They don't agree with the UN numbers muriel_volestrangler Apr 2025 #36
Will "Honest Reporting" do that? AloeVera Apr 2025 #38
Naturally. And I have my doubts if that is accurate. The civilian death toll is likely much less. Oopsie Daisy Apr 2025 #42
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