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Martin Eden

(14,168 posts)
22. "I can't even imagine him having a *genuine* laugh about *anything*, let alone himself."
Fri Apr 4, 2025, 07:35 PM
Apr 4

That reminds me of the best description of Trump, by British writer Nate White back in 2021:
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Someone on Quora asked "Why do some British people not like Donald Trump?" Nate White, an articulate and witty writer from England wrote the following response:

A few things spring to mind.

Trump lacks certain qualities which the British traditionally esteem.

For instance, he has no class, no charm, no coolness, no credibility, no compassion, no wit, no warmth, no wisdom, no subtlety, no sensitivity, no self-awareness, no humility, no honour and no grace – all qualities, funnily enough, with which his predecessor Mr. Obama was generously blessed.

So for us, the stark contrast does rather throw Trump's limitations into embarrassingly sharp relief.

Plus, we like a laugh. And while Trump may be laughable, he has never once said anything wry, witty or even faintly amusing – not once, ever.

I don't say that rhetorically, I mean it quite literally: not once, not ever. And that fact is particularly disturbing to the British sensibility – for us, to lack humour is almost inhuman.

But with Trump, it's a fact. He doesn't even seem to understand what a joke is – his idea of a joke is a crass comment, an illiterate insult, a casual act of cruelty.

Trump is a troll. And like all trolls, he is never funny and he never laughs; he only crows or jeers.

And scarily, he doesn't just talk in crude, witless insults – he actually thinks in them. His mind is a simple bot-like algorithm of petty prejudices and knee-jerk nastiness.

There is never any under-layer of irony, complexity, nuance or depth. It's all surface.

Some Americans might see this as refreshingly upfront.

Well, we don't. We see it as having no inner world, no soul.

And in Britain we traditionally side with David, not Goliath. All our heroes are plucky underdogs: Robin Hood, Dick Whittington, Oliver Twist.

Trump is neither plucky, nor an underdog. He is the exact opposite of that.

He's not even a spoiled rich-boy, or a greedy fat-cat.

He's more a fat white slug. A Jabba the Hutt of privilege.

And worse, he is that most unforgivable of all things to the British: a bully.

That is, except when he is among bullies; then he suddenly transforms into a snivelling sidekick instead.

There are unspoken rules to this stuff – the Queensberry rules of basic decency – and he breaks them all. He punches downwards – which a gentleman should, would, could never do – and every blow he aims is below the belt. He particularly likes to kick the vulnerable or voiceless – and he kicks them when they are down.

So the fact that a significant minority – perhaps a third – of Americans look at what he does, listen to what he says, and then think 'Yeah, he seems like my kind of guy' is a matter of some confusion and no little distress to British people, given that:

• Americans are supposed to be nicer than us, and mostly are.

• You don't need a particularly keen eye for detail to spot a few flaws in the man.


This last point is what especially confuses and dismays British people, and many other people too; his faults seem pretty bloody hard to miss.

After all, it's impossible to read a single tweet, or hear him speak a sentence or two, without staring deep into the abyss. He turns being artless into an art form; he is a Picasso of pettiness; a Shakespeare of shit. His faults are fractal: even his flaws have flaws, and so on ad infinitum.

God knows there have always been stupid people in the world, and plenty of nasty people too. But rarely has stupidity been so nasty, or nastiness so stupid.

He makes Nixon look trustworthy and George W look smart.
In fact, if Frankenstein decided to make a monster assembled entirely from human flaws – he would make a Trump.

And a remorseful Doctor Frankenstein would clutch out big clumpfuls of hair and scream in anguish:

'My God... what... have... I... created?

If being a twat was a TV show, Trump would be the boxed set.
Men crying. [View all] LuckyCharms Apr 4 OP
The British acknowledged this about trump Dan Apr 4 #1
He's an evil shell of a human being. He's everything we don't want our own allegorical oracle Apr 4 #4
Maybe El Salvador leftieNanner Apr 4 #24
Russia Cherokee100 Apr 4 #42
Nah... Mr. Evil Apr 5 #75
maybe the country only inhabited by penguins mokeyz Apr 5 #62
No! Leave the penguins alone! yardwork Apr 5 #71
Icky Jean Genie Apr 5 #81
Someone wrote a great essay about it Hekate Apr 4 #12
Can't imagine Trump crying D_Master81 Apr 4 #2
Trump might cry, but it would only be for himself. Irish_Dem Apr 4 #3
Similarly, he can't laugh at himself. Harker Apr 4 #14
He is a narcissist and they are unable to accept any criticism or jokes about themselves. Irish_Dem Apr 4 #18
My father was a narcissist. Harker Apr 4 #27
Sorry to hear this. Irish_Dem Apr 4 #29
Identifying and understanding his disorder made dealing with him a lot easier. Harker Apr 4 #30
Yes they have a way of making it seem like everyone else is at fault. Irish_Dem Apr 4 #33
Well, half of us do. yardwork Apr 5 #72
Or hoping Trump will destroy all the Americans they hate. Irish_Dem Apr 5 #73
a narcissist who is such an unworthy human. he is the biggest snowflake ever. pansypoo53219 Apr 4 #51
Yes all of this is Trump trying to fill the hole in his soul. Irish_Dem Apr 4 #52
I was married to one... buzzycrumbhunger Apr 4 #57
Yes they can be quite convincing and manipulative. Irish_Dem Apr 5 #61
That's the plan! buzzycrumbhunger Apr 5 #74
I agree, Irish.. Escape Apr 4 #16
Did you ever see that well known picture of Trump and Putin together? Irish_Dem Apr 4 #19
The only sincere emotion he ever seems to express is anger, along with the related expressions Ocelot II Apr 4 #5
The Shrinking Trump podcast has been analyzing him for 46 episodes. ariadne0614 Apr 4 #6
I just looked that podcast up, and it sounds fascinating. ShazzieB Apr 4 #31
Thanks for the tip. I'm looking forward to this MadameButterfly Apr 4 #48
He never smiles with any warmth, He sneers, leers, or grimaces. 3catwoman3 Apr 4 #7
The hearless prick is on a revenge tour. pure and simple. He don't give a fuck how this will effect future the country OAITW r.2.0 Apr 4 #8
Someones or somethings, definitely need to remove this virus/disease from his perch. chouchou Apr 4 #9
I think I read this morning that Iran is getting very angry with him birdographer Apr 5 #70
They see it as strength. milestogo Apr 4 #10
Money is how he shows emotion. He pays people for their affection/allegiance. allegorical oracle Apr 4 #11
Melanoma isn't sticking around because he's the great love of her life... MLWR Apr 4 #38
No Self-it-seems stillcool Apr 4 #13
I'd like to see that. nolabear Apr 4 #17
I found a game... stillcool Apr 4 #25
Many bullies feel/know somewhere deep inside that they're deficient, but allegorical oracle Apr 4 #23
yeah...I've met quite a few stillcool Apr 4 #32
Anger and hate are his driving emotions. StarryNite Apr 4 #15
Revenge, he lives for that. SammyWinstonJack Apr 4 #59
Yes and all three things feed off each other. StarryNite Apr 4 #60
I used to imagine him crying behind bars. Buddyzbuddy Apr 4 #20
I don't have a degree in psychology Grim Chieftain Apr 4 #21
His niece says he does have severe sociopathy Trueblue Texan Apr 4 #36
"I can't even imagine him having a *genuine* laugh about *anything*, let alone himself." Martin Eden Apr 4 #22
Brilliant assessment. Thank you! (have longed to use the "T" word in allegorical oracle Apr 4 #26
Thanks for posting that. raccoon Apr 5 #64
Obama & Biden have Hearts Cha Apr 4 #28
His lack of empathy or compassion is JMCKUSICK Apr 4 #34
He is a psychopath narcissist con artist etc. Meowmee Apr 4 #35
I think he's both Keepthesoulalive Apr 4 #37
He's a psychopath Javaman Apr 4 #39
So agree, especially about the pet thingy. Have wondered if he never had a pet because allegorical oracle Apr 4 #45
There was a thread during the election when someone posted a photo of Tim Walz petting a cat MadameButterfly Apr 4 #49
The only video of Krasnov that I liked. ChazInAz Apr 5 #69
Trump attacked by bald eagle... sop Apr 5 #77
Our National Emblem sensed that djt's heart is evil. nt allegorical oracle Apr 5 #78
Broken people Javaman Apr 4 #50
I'm willing to bet I could make him cry True Dough Apr 4 #40
Some lizards are known to be social tavernier Apr 4 #41
We had a very nice large iguana when I was growing up MadameButterfly Apr 4 #53
I cant imagine Trump playing with a kitten, listening to music, reading fixtion, cooking, or a lot of human actions Demovictory9 Apr 4 #43
Absolutely cannot imagine trump crying for anyone. iluvtennis Apr 4 #44
He's not able to. NPD. usregimechange Apr 4 #46
Trump is not human Emile Apr 4 #47
The collected humor of Donald Trump: tclambert Apr 4 #54
Plain and simple, MrsCheaplaugh Apr 4 #55
Edmund Muskie's presidential bid was destroyed because he cried MadameButterfly Apr 4 #56
Yeah Figarosmom Apr 4 #58
Our country Waywardpedestrian Apr 5 #63
British writers view is spot on. paulrevere2018 Apr 5 #65
This is from 2018 Danascot Apr 5 #66
President Coldass! Canada Kid Apr 5 #67
He's a sick man. cab67 Apr 5 #68
Like a cake baked with motor oil. enigmania Apr 5 #76
One clear distinction lildDemz Apr 5 #79
Hubert Humphrey once said dflprincess Apr 5 #80
His niece, Mary Trump homegirl Apr 5 #82
"Why don't others see this noticeable trait?" soldierant Apr 5 #83
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