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mcar

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Wed Apr 16, 2025, 06:56 PM Apr 2025

I Hate to Say This But DNC Vice Chair David Hogg's New Maneuver Is Ill-Advised--and Worse-Timed [View all]

The one thing that this time in history doesn't need is a well-financed primary campaign against safe incumbents.

By Charles P. PiercePublished: Apr 16, 2025 6:27 PM EDT

David Hogg is exactly what we expect from a citizen touched by unthinkable tragedy. Having survived the 2018 massacre at Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida, he immediately dove into constructive political action, first on serious gun reform, and then within Democratic party politics, rising to his present position as DNC vice-chairman. Which makes it difficult to point out that his latest project couldn't be more ill-advised and, worse, incredibly ill-timed. It is a perfect example of something that is in the right place. but at the wrong time....

The one thing that this time in history doesn't need is a well-financed primary campaign against safe incumbents. In the first place, opening primary campaigns opens them to everyone, including well-financed nuisance candidates and, worse, outright ratfcking operations. It will force safe incumbents to raise more money, much of which must come from sources distant from Hogg's own purposes. Second, it will divide the only viable opposition to a genuine established threat to American democracy. It will provide the robot army of the elite political media with their favorite narrative on a national basis.

Even a stultified Democratic House majority is preferable to any kind of Republican majority, now that the GOP has gone completely mad. Only then can the serious work of renovating the creaking Democratic party machinery truly begin....

Unfortunately, last November proved that the entire country is not the Democratic base, not by a longshot. This reeks of being an untenable short-cut to the real work that needs to be done.

https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a64504888/dnc-democratic-primaries-support-new-candidates/

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Never liked him nini Apr 2025 #1
I was glad to see a younger person elected to DNC leadership mcar Apr 2025 #2
It's more constructive to contact David Hogg and tell him exactly what you're saying here. He's young. He'll listen. ancianita Apr 2025 #47
The young never listen krawhitham Apr 2025 #95
He's an individual, not the faceless "young" & we won't know until we try. He may have been listening to... Hekate Apr 2025 #106
Well said, mcar... Cha Apr 2025 #78
I worked Bobby Kennedy's campaign when I was 11 nini Apr 2025 #99
That must have been an amazing experience! mcar Apr 2025 #103
It was a learning experience and I am still heartbroken how it ended nini Apr 2025 #114
I said he was not a good choice for vice chair Meowmee Apr 2025 #16
He was a great choice. I fully support his trying to bring in new persepectives to safe Blue seats. Celerity Apr 2025 #28
No seat is a "safe Blue seat" with Mango Mussolini in charge. Trumpistas have money to burn... Hekate Apr 2025 #108
The status quo & 'doff the cap to ANY and ALL incumbents, no matter what' stances have been a disaster, and have helped Celerity Apr 2025 #113
It is hard to have hope these days when so many people can't see through these narcissists nini Apr 2025 #115
The dnc has to take care of this but my guess is they won't Meowmee Apr 2025 #118
He was just on MSNBC, and again set the record straight. He is NOT going after any Democrats in any remotely vulnerable Celerity Apr 2025 #3
Hogg is young and idealistic SocialDemocrat61 Apr 2025 #6
I agree. We win on the issues. mjvpi Apr 2025 #24
I heard the interview. TomSlick Apr 2025 #8
Red herring. He is not going after any Dems in vulnerable seats. And as was pointed out in the interview, other DNC Celerity Apr 2025 #13
The DNC ought not take sides in primary elections. TomSlick Apr 2025 #17
I disagree and fully support Hogg's attempt to try to bring in new thoughts and perspectives via a democratic (small d) Celerity Apr 2025 #20
Imagine that! Democrats who disagree with each other. TomSlick Apr 2025 #22
Hogg has and will be supporting Democrats, and some of those Dems will be challenging other Dems in a Democratic primary Celerity Apr 2025 #29
I hope it all works out and no "safe" Democratic seats are lost. TomSlick Apr 2025 #45
Where will they throw their support? To Republicans or sit it out? Bluethroughu Apr 2025 #53
Democrats can always be expected to attack each other. TomSlick Apr 2025 #56
I don't think you are correct on that. Bluethroughu Apr 2025 #59
You are correct. We shall see. TomSlick Apr 2025 #61
I totally agree with you. The tired "new perspectives" translates Nixie Apr 2025 #76
Then tell him exactly what you're saying here. Do it. Don't just criticize. ancianita Apr 2025 #48
I'm sorry. I misunderstood. TomSlick Apr 2025 #66
I'm giving you, TomSlick, some constructive discussion information. ancianita Apr 2025 #68
I heard the interview on MSNBC. TomSlick Apr 2025 #75
I see. Welp, ancianita Apr 2025 #81
IMO going after Dem incumbents is a mistake. So if the candidate he backs to challenge... brush Apr 2025 #62
Why go after fellow Democrats to begin with when there are literally hundreds of Republicans he could be challenging? W_HAMILTON Apr 2025 #11
We can walk and chew gum at the same time. We need new approaches and new persepctives, and a primary challenge Celerity Apr 2025 #15
Primary challenges like this only give the other side ammunition. Republicans will win. Walleye Apr 2025 #26
Disagree, as we are talking about safe Blue seats only, one where a Rethug has no shot at winning. Celerity Apr 2025 #31
Off Topic My Friend BOSSHOG Apr 2025 #27
I prefer (for celerity's definition and synonyms) swiftness, legerity, vivacity, expeditiousness, alacrity Celerity Apr 2025 #38
Can they? Because I sure don't see these upstart progressives winning in many purple/red areas. W_HAMILTON Apr 2025 #33
But they will give the Republicans plenty of soundbites and ammunition in their campaigns against our incumbents Walleye Apr 2025 #35
people have career aspirations cadoman Apr 2025 #70
We need a lot more like David Hogg. Thanks for setting the record straight Cel. Autumn Apr 2025 #105
There was a lot of pearl clutching when AOC won as a primary challenger HereForTheParty Apr 2025 #4
Yep. AOC replaced someone working as a banking industry protector. Hassin Bin Sober Apr 2025 #10
Members of the anti-progressive crew really come out hard against AOC in the 2020 NY-14 Democratic primary, where they Celerity Apr 2025 #51
The pearl clutching metaphor is not working so well. We are genuinely scared now. Walleye Apr 2025 #36
Hogg and AOC seem very different to me PedroXimenez Apr 2025 #37
Then as a Democrat, tell him what you think. ancianita Apr 2025 #49
The guy running against Fetterman in the Primary was a young man JI7 Apr 2025 #5
IMO Harris just preferred Walz's style cadoman Apr 2025 #72
Respectfully disagree. H2O Man Apr 2025 #109
I wonder if all safe districts are the same Raven123 Apr 2025 #7
I don't see how this would open things for primaries that wouldn't otherwise happen EdmondDantes_ Apr 2025 #9
AOC is used JustAnotherGen Apr 2025 #101
If we make it there, I would like to stillcool Apr 2025 #12
I don't see any other Dem in leadership doing anything... SnoopDog Apr 2025 #14
At least 4 centrist, corporate-friendly Dems tried to scupper Biden's pharma cost reductions. These are the type of Dems Celerity Apr 2025 #18
Exactly Celerity...! SnoopDog Apr 2025 #21
thank you for the kind words (I am London raised, 'scupper' is far more commonly used in the UK than the US) Celerity Apr 2025 #39
English seadogs like Francis Drake and Jack Sparrow did a lot of scuppering thought crime Apr 2025 #46
You are on it. cachukis Apr 2025 #32
thanks! Celerity Apr 2025 #40
Thank YOU! This is much appreciated information. ancianita Apr 2025 #50
yw! Celerity Apr 2025 #55
+1 leftstreet Apr 2025 #44
We could replace every single elected Democrat at the federal level right now with Hogg clones and... W_HAMILTON Apr 2025 #42
+1 emulatorloo Apr 2025 #73
It's so unbelievable that this message has not sunk in yet. Nixie Apr 2025 #80
Then the clones would be called corrupt establishment and have to be primaried. It would never end. betsuni Apr 2025 #82
The truth, but some people won't acknowledge it Meowmee Apr 2025 #89
Yes! mcar Apr 2025 #97
I fully expect this to fail in spectacular fashion Mountainguy Apr 2025 #19
Yeah, the criminal fucks in the White House are destroying our country. Initech Apr 2025 #23
Absolutely blue-wave Apr 2025 #67
Incumbents will need more money, then the screaming about being beholden to donors billionaires oligarchy betsuni Apr 2025 #25
Democratic Committee Member here JustAnotherGen Apr 2025 #30
More power to him ibegurpard Apr 2025 #34
There is a new generation that see things we don't. cachukis Apr 2025 #41
Yes, and true because they're facing a future we won't be in. ancianita Apr 2025 #58
Because what this Party needs is more of the same! DJ Synikus Makisimus Apr 2025 #43
Growth and change are inevitable in order to live. Bluethroughu Apr 2025 #57
hogg not good spokeseman. Groundhawg Apr 2025 #52
He's too new for this kind of rush to judgment. ancianita Apr 2025 #60
Someone or something needs to reinvigorate our party. AllyCat Apr 2025 #54
hogg is what the democrats need moonshinegnomie Apr 2025 #63
I thought we were supposed to be blue-wave Apr 2025 #64
He is young and passionate bottomofthehill Apr 2025 #65
hogg is 25 moonshinegnomie Apr 2025 #69
The strategy should be to elect more Democrats all over. Fact: incumbents get re-elected because voters emulatorloo Apr 2025 #71
More and "better" democrats. Buzz cook Apr 2025 #74
My core principle since becoming politically aware around high school/voting age... Ol Janx Spirit Apr 2025 #77
I suspect ITAL Apr 2025 #86
That will be the case so long as that's what we accept and even come to expect... Ol Janx Spirit Apr 2025 #90
I think it's just as much ITAL Apr 2025 #93
That isn't always a bad thing. Many people rise to prominence in their community... Ol Janx Spirit Apr 2025 #98
He is right Blue Full Moon Apr 2025 #79
I'm already done giving any body another dime Historic NY Apr 2025 #83
I stopped a long time ago and they will never get another penny from me Meowmee Apr 2025 #88
If this keeps up, the Rethugs won't have to worry about 2026... Behind the Aegis Apr 2025 #84
No kidding. MorbidButterflyTat Apr 2025 #102
I support our democratic leadership to take steps to rid corruption within our party SSJVegeta Apr 2025 #85
Exactly who do you think is corrupt within our party? W_HAMILTON Apr 2025 #91
Whoever the Democratic party officials see fit to primary. The democratic party can make that determination. SSJVegeta Apr 2025 #92
Any actual corrupt Democrats would be run out of the party by the voters themselves (see: Menendez). W_HAMILTON Apr 2025 #112
Fetterman LW1977 Apr 2025 #110
Fetterman is the type of unproven but self-proclaimed """progressive""" that Hogg wants more of. W_HAMILTON Apr 2025 #111
He is EXACTLY what we need! LostOne4Ever Apr 2025 #87
I'd applaud an effort to unseat a safe incumbent in MI-12 JustABozoOnThisBus Apr 2025 #94
I love David Hogg. Sky Jewels Apr 2025 #96
I'm Team Hogg Prairie Gates Apr 2025 #100
What "safe incumbant" is he running against? Ping Tung Apr 2025 #104
As always, Charlie Pierce is on the nose Hekate Apr 2025 #107
Polling says something has to change. mn9driver Apr 2025 #116
Right there with you mcar. William769 Apr 2025 #117
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