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113. The status quo & 'doff the cap to ANY and ALL incumbents, no matter what' stances have been a disaster, and have helped

Reply to Hekate (Reply #108)

Thu Apr 17, 2025, 06:30 PM

Apr 17

get us to where we (and the nation) are now.

I also have to call out rank hypocrisy on the part of some who, here on DU, (not at all limited to this thread, and I am NOT saying you are doing this) have no issues at all with going after progressives in safe Blue seats (some of these types have been openly hostile and absolutely all in to run out the progs in those primaries, just look at multiple AOC primaries, especially 2020) YET turn around and scream bloody murder when/if a Dem House Rep or Senator they happen to approve of, and one in a similarly safe Blue seat or State, is also challenged at Dem primary level. It is absolutely 'have your cake and eat it too' posturing.

They are also some of the first to bring up (and often misuse the terms in attempts to weaponise it against anyone who takes issue with their anti-progressive stances) 'purity tests' and/or 'purity policing' on so many fronts, yet they are the ones who have a big, overarching 'purity test', that being run out as many progressives as is electorally possible (in terms of the make-up of our entire membership in Congress) from our elected Democratic caucuses, in the Senate and especially in the House.

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I Hate to Say This But DNC Vice Chair David Hogg's New Maneuver Is Ill-Advised--and Worse-Timed [View all] mcar Apr 16 OP

Never liked him nini Apr 16 #1

I was glad to see a younger person elected to DNC leadership mcar Apr 16 #2

It's more constructive to contact David Hogg and tell him exactly what you're saying here. He's young. He'll listen. ancianita Apr 16 #47

The young never listen krawhitham Apr 17 #95

He's an individual, not the faceless "young" & we won't know until we try. He may have been listening to... Hekate Apr 17 #106

Well said, mcar... Cha Apr 16 #78

I worked Bobby Kennedy's campaign when I was 11 nini Apr 17 #99

That must have been an amazing experience! mcar Apr 17 #103

It was a learning experience and I am still heartbroken how it ended nini Apr 18 #114

I said he was not a good choice for vice chair Meowmee Apr 16 #16

He was a great choice. I fully support his trying to bring in new persepectives to safe Blue seats. Celerity Apr 16 #28

No seat is a "safe Blue seat" with Mango Mussolini in charge. Trumpistas have money to burn... Hekate Apr 17 #108

The status quo & 'doff the cap to ANY and ALL incumbents, no matter what' stances have been a disaster, and have helped Celerity Apr 17 #113

It is hard to have hope these days when so many people can't see through these narcissists nini Apr 18 #115

The dnc has to take care of this but my guess is they won't Meowmee Apr 19 #118

He was just on MSNBC, and again set the record straight. He is NOT going after any Democrats in any remotely vulnerable Celerity Apr 16 #3

Hogg is young and idealistic SocialDemocrat61 Apr 16 #6

I agree. We win on the issues. mjvpi Apr 16 #24

I heard the interview. TomSlick Apr 16 #8

Red herring. He is not going after any Dems in vulnerable seats. And as was pointed out in the interview, other DNC Celerity Apr 16 #13

The DNC ought not take sides in primary elections. TomSlick Apr 16 #17

I disagree and fully support Hogg's attempt to try to bring in new thoughts and perspectives via a democratic (small d) Celerity Apr 16 #20

Imagine that! Democrats who disagree with each other. TomSlick Apr 16 #22

Hogg has and will be supporting Democrats, and some of those Dems will be challenging other Dems in a Democratic primary Celerity Apr 16 #29

I hope it all works out and no "safe" Democratic seats are lost. TomSlick Apr 16 #45

Where will they throw their support? To Republicans or sit it out? Bluethroughu Apr 16 #53

Democrats can always be expected to attack each other. TomSlick Apr 16 #56

I don't think you are correct on that. Bluethroughu Apr 16 #59

You are correct. We shall see. TomSlick Apr 16 #61

I totally agree with you. The tired "new perspectives" translates Nixie Apr 16 #76

Then tell him exactly what you're saying here. Do it. Don't just criticize. ancianita Apr 16 #48

I'm sorry. I misunderstood. TomSlick Apr 16 #66

I'm giving you, TomSlick, some constructive discussion information. ancianita Apr 16 #68

I heard the interview on MSNBC. TomSlick Apr 16 #75

I see. Welp, ancianita Apr 16 #81

IMO going after Dem incumbents is a mistake. So if the candidate he backs to challenge... brush Apr 16 #62

Why go after fellow Democrats to begin with when there are literally hundreds of Republicans he could be challenging? W_HAMILTON Apr 16 #11

We can walk and chew gum at the same time. We need new approaches and new persepctives, and a primary challenge Celerity Apr 16 #15

Primary challenges like this only give the other side ammunition. Republicans will win. Walleye Apr 16 #26

Disagree, as we are talking about safe Blue seats only, one where a Rethug has no shot at winning. Celerity Apr 16 #31

Off Topic My Friend BOSSHOG Apr 16 #27

I prefer (for celerity's definition and synonyms) swiftness, legerity, vivacity, expeditiousness, alacrity Celerity Apr 16 #38

Can they? Because I sure don't see these upstart progressives winning in many purple/red areas. W_HAMILTON Apr 16 #33

But they will give the Republicans plenty of soundbites and ammunition in their campaigns against our incumbents Walleye Apr 16 #35

people have career aspirations cadoman Apr 16 #70

We need a lot more like David Hogg. Thanks for setting the record straight Cel. Autumn Apr 17 #105

There was a lot of pearl clutching when AOC won as a primary challenger HereForTheParty Apr 16 #4

Yep. AOC replaced someone working as a banking industry protector. Hassin Bin Sober Apr 16 #10

Members of the anti-progressive crew really come out hard against AOC in the 2020 NY-14 Democratic primary, where they Celerity Apr 16 #51

The pearl clutching metaphor is not working so well. We are genuinely scared now. Walleye Apr 16 #36

Hogg and AOC seem very different to me PedroXimenez Apr 16 #37

Then as a Democrat, tell him what you think. ancianita Apr 16 #49

The guy running against Fetterman in the Primary was a young man JI7 Apr 16 #5

IMO Harris just preferred Walz's style cadoman Apr 16 #72

Respectfully disagree. H2O Man Apr 17 #109

I wonder if all safe districts are the same Raven123 Apr 16 #7

I don't see how this would open things for primaries that wouldn't otherwise happen EdmondDantes_ Apr 16 #9

AOC is used JustAnotherGen Apr 17 #101

If we make it there, I would like to stillcool Apr 16 #12

I don't see any other Dem in leadership doing anything... SnoopDog Apr 16 #14

At least 4 centrist, corporate-friendly Dems tried to scupper Biden's pharma cost reductions. These are the type of Dems Celerity Apr 16 #18

Exactly Celerity...! SnoopDog Apr 16 #21

thank you for the kind words (I am London raised, 'scupper' is far more commonly used in the UK than the US) Celerity Apr 16 #39

English seadogs like Francis Drake and Jack Sparrow did a lot of scuppering thought crime Apr 16 #46

You are on it. cachukis Apr 16 #32

thanks! Celerity Apr 16 #40

Thank YOU! This is much appreciated information. ancianita Apr 16 #50

yw! Celerity Apr 16 #55

+1 leftstreet Apr 16 #44

We could replace every single elected Democrat at the federal level right now with Hogg clones and... W_HAMILTON Apr 16 #42

+1 emulatorloo Apr 16 #73

It's so unbelievable that this message has not sunk in yet. Nixie Apr 16 #80

Then the clones would be called corrupt establishment and have to be primaried. It would never end. betsuni Apr 17 #82

The truth, but some people won't acknowledge it Meowmee Apr 17 #89

Yes! mcar Apr 17 #97

I fully expect this to fail in spectacular fashion Mountainguy Apr 16 #19

Yeah, the criminal fucks in the White House are destroying our country. Initech Apr 16 #23

Absolutely blue-wave Apr 16 #67

Incumbents will need more money, then the screaming about being beholden to donors billionaires oligarchy betsuni Apr 16 #25

Democratic Committee Member here JustAnotherGen Apr 16 #30

More power to him ibegurpard Apr 16 #34

There is a new generation that see things we don't. cachukis Apr 16 #41

Yes, and true because they're facing a future we won't be in. ancianita Apr 16 #58

Because what this Party needs is more of the same! DJ Synikus Makisimus Apr 16 #43

Growth and change are inevitable in order to live. Bluethroughu Apr 16 #57

hogg not good spokeseman. Groundhawg Apr 16 #52

He's too new for this kind of rush to judgment. ancianita Apr 16 #60

Someone or something needs to reinvigorate our party. AllyCat Apr 16 #54

hogg is what the democrats need moonshinegnomie Apr 16 #63

I thought we were supposed to be blue-wave Apr 16 #64

He is young and passionate bottomofthehill Apr 16 #65

hogg is 25 moonshinegnomie Apr 16 #69

The strategy should be to elect more Democrats all over. Fact: incumbents get re-elected because voters emulatorloo Apr 16 #71

More and "better" democrats. Buzz cook Apr 16 #74

My core principle since becoming politically aware around high school/voting age... Ol Janx Spirit Apr 16 #77

I suspect ITAL Apr 17 #86

That will be the case so long as that's what we accept and even come to expect... Ol Janx Spirit Apr 17 #90

I think it's just as much ITAL Apr 17 #93

That isn't always a bad thing. Many people rise to prominence in their community... Ol Janx Spirit Apr 17 #98

He is right Blue Full Moon Apr 16 #79

I'm already done giving any body another dime Historic NY Apr 17 #83

I stopped a long time ago and they will never get another penny from me Meowmee Apr 17 #88

If this keeps up, the Rethugs won't have to worry about 2026... Behind the Aegis Apr 17 #84

No kidding. MorbidButterflyTat Apr 17 #102

I support our democratic leadership to take steps to rid corruption within our party SSJVegeta Apr 17 #85

Exactly who do you think is corrupt within our party? W_HAMILTON Apr 17 #91

Whoever the Democratic party officials see fit to primary. The democratic party can make that determination. SSJVegeta Apr 17 #92

Any actual corrupt Democrats would be run out of the party by the voters themselves (see: Menendez). W_HAMILTON Apr 17 #112

Fetterman LW1977 Apr 17 #110

Fetterman is the type of unproven but self-proclaimed """progressive""" that Hogg wants more of. W_HAMILTON Apr 17 #111

He is EXACTLY what we need! LostOne4Ever Apr 17 #87

I'd applaud an effort to unseat a safe incumbent in MI-12 JustABozoOnThisBus Apr 17 #94

I love David Hogg. Sky Jewels Apr 17 #96

I'm Team Hogg Prairie Gates Apr 17 #100

What "safe incumbant" is he running against? Ping Tung Apr 17 #104

As always, Charlie Pierce is on the nose Hekate Apr 17 #107

Polling says something has to change. mn9driver Apr 18 #116

Right there with you mcar. William769 Apr 18 #117