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Bettie

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137. Last time it happened (not to the degree it is now) we

Fri Apr 18, 2025, 08:42 AM

Apr 18

let it all go..."civility" and "getting back to normal" and all that. Yes, there were some Jan 6th prosecutions, but nothing to address any of the rest of it. They put a band aid on a gaping, bleeding wound in the name of "civility".

It paved the way for what is happening now. They learned an important lesson: there are no consequences for their actions, yes, a few rubes might go to prison for a while, but that's a price the leaders are willing to pay.

So, some people are ready to go scorched earth at this point, because we can't just let it go as we did last time around.

Remember "Just wait, Merrick Garland has this! Any day now!" ....how did that work out? From current evidence, not well at all.

There will have to be serious consequences unless we want this to happen again and again, but this is the US. Rich people don't face consequences unless they screw over other rich people.

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Would you support a denazification type program if we return to power? [View all] Kaleva Apr 17 OP

I'd rather see a cult intervention Walleye Apr 17 #1

Yes definitely RJ-MacReady Apr 17 #2

Maybe a de-Trumpification. All the toadies, sycophants, and true believers surfered Apr 17 #3

Only after a series Nuremberg style trials whereby these criminals ... Tarzanrock Apr 17 #4

Give the convicted a choice... The Madcap Apr 17 #55

I'd support an AG who actually pursues cases against the leaders who committed crimes against the Constitution. Scrivener7 Apr 17 #5

This question is intended for folks who think Trump is like Hitler Kaleva Apr 17 #6

This message was self-deleted by its author EnergizedLib Apr 17 #30

Yes, but it would break my heart. Biophilic Apr 17 #7

It should have been done after the Civil War also JI7 Apr 17 #8

So to be clear, 80% of respondents favor eliminating, at a minimum, the First and Fourth Amendments? tritsofme Apr 17 #9

People supporting putting political opponents in concentration camps. Wild, isn't it? Hellbound Hellhound Apr 17 #11

Post removed Post removed Apr 17 #26

They need to suffer? The Revolution Apr 18 #118

No JustAnotherGen Apr 18 #173

Communist Underground Polybius Apr 17 #47

Become? How can you know they've changed? Bonx Apr 17 #83

Yikes indeed The Revolution Apr 18 #116

Blood-thirst and vengeance Seeking Serenity Apr 18 #147

I don't think that's true Bettie Apr 18 #138

What's not true? Have you not read the OP? tritsofme Apr 18 #139

I voted yes because I believe Bettie Apr 18 #143

The scary thing is, it doesn't appear to be hyperbole for a lot of these folks. tritsofme Apr 18 #144

I don't want them to believe that any of this Bettie Apr 18 #145

Well, as long as WE'RE in control of the police state, amirite? Seeking Serenity Apr 18 #149

SS are patroling our streets, People! Bluethroughu Apr 18 #176

So why are you against the Constitution? Voting "yes" in this poll means you support eliminating the First and Fourth tritsofme Apr 18 #177

I understand...not all trumpers just the ones who have committed crimes Bluethroughu Apr 18 #178

How does educating U.S. Citizens about the Evils of Naziism violate the First and Fourth Amendments? Gore1FL Apr 18 #155

Yea gee, what's wrong with forcibly detaining people who have committed no crimes? tritsofme Apr 18 #157

Who says that is necessary? Gore1FL Apr 18 #167

Uh... the OP does. tritsofme Apr 18 #168

Point. I missed the details. nt Gore1FL Apr 18 #169

Deprogramming of the hate belief system would not be in violation of the first amendment. Clouds Passing Apr 20 #186

There needs to be a Nuremburg style trial. Nt avebury Apr 18 #171

Post removed Post removed Apr 17 #10

Is this supposed to be some sort of satire? tritsofme Apr 17 #19

This country belongs to BIPOC Comrade Citizen Apr 17 #21

Yikes, disturbing. So everyone that doesn't meet your criteria is just stripped of citizenship and stateless? tritsofme Apr 17 #22

Permanent residents with free movement across the border Comrade Citizen Apr 17 #24

Agreed, there is definitely no need to explain such a silly fantasy any further, lol tritsofme Apr 17 #25

Post removed Post removed Apr 17 #29

I can make my own, but thanks. tritsofme Apr 17 #32

Interesting that everyone in your signature is white Polybius Apr 17 #49

Post removed Post removed Apr 17 #60

Al Green is a tiny pic and couldn't even see it was him Polybius Apr 17 #69

I'm used to it Comrade Citizen Apr 17 #71

Maybe you should wonder why instead of blaming others n/t Polybius Apr 17 #100

So is it "mansplaining" whenever someone male replies to you? Crunchy Frog Apr 17 #95

Well, some of them could be women, for all she knows iemanja Apr 18 #114

Many people put it in their profiles. Crunchy Frog Apr 18 #117

Nah, that's a bit too much for me. BlueTsunami2018 Apr 17 #12

Hasn't MAGA movement gone past free speech into de-facto policy? Thx in advance uponit7771 Apr 18 #134

Yes but that doesn't mean WE have to do that. BlueTsunami2018 Apr 18 #151

How do we protect ourselves from people who, through policy, don't want... uponit7771 Apr 18 #161

It could. It may have already happened. BlueTsunami2018 Apr 18 #165

Is that a DEnazification program? sarisataka Apr 17 #13

Hopefully this ForgedCrank Apr 17 #14

Good lawd! demmiblue Apr 17 #15

Restart reconstruction LS0999 Apr 17 #16

Hell no! William769 Apr 17 #17

Absolutely you can participate in democratic governance JCMach1 Apr 17 #18

Right right...democracy, but only if you agree with me! tritsofme Apr 17 #20

This message was self-deleted by its author EnergizedLib Apr 17 #27

Why not embrace a dictatorship as long you like the dictator? That is really your question? tritsofme Apr 17 #31

This message was self-deleted by its author EnergizedLib Apr 17 #33

Well that is extremely disturbing. At least you are honest about it. tritsofme Apr 17 #35

This message was self-deleted by its author EnergizedLib Apr 17 #37

It is the DU 'Team Blue Benevolent Dictator' fantasy and it is disturbing. nt kelly1mm Apr 17 #36

This message was self-deleted by its author EnergizedLib Apr 17 #23

I think there is a Constutionally compliant middle ground to be had here. Pacifist Patriot Apr 17 #28

FFS! Not this sh!t again! A sizable minority (at least I HOPE it is a minority) here on DU have 'Team Blue kelly1mm Apr 17 #34

It might be a majority of this poll is accurate Kaleva Apr 17 #38

I HOPE it is selection bias. Hell, I am only here on this thread to watch the car wreck ..... nt kelly1mm Apr 17 #39

Team Rubberneck reporting for duty n/t Sympthsical Apr 17 #66

It's a hoot, ain't it? Fla_Democrat Apr 17 #92

If team blue doesn't kill or disappear people, I'm in. harumph Apr 17 #41

Many are quite supportive of a strong man dictator in charge... as long as he/she favors your side WarGamer Apr 17 #44

Yes Kaleva Apr 17 #67

I'd support, nay, insist upon, aggressive enforcement of existing laws including RockRaven Apr 17 #40

No, not American citizens, BUT bluestarone Apr 17 #42

So defeat Trumpism by becoming literal fascists? WarGamer Apr 17 #43

I wish I could say I'm surprised at the responses, but I'm not. onenote Apr 17 #48

It's crazy Polybius Apr 17 #52

"the Republican Party would be banned" Polybius Apr 17 #45

Then the court gets thrown into the re education camps too MichMan Apr 17 #112

"Trump supporters" Polybius Apr 17 #46

Given that we don't know who voted for who, ... Kaleva Apr 17 #50

I guess you won't complain if Trump does that to us now Polybius Apr 17 #51

Can you quote where I said I support doing such a thing? Kaleva Apr 17 #53

Gotcha Polybius Apr 17 #68

No problem! Kaleva Apr 17 #73

For those who think we should not do anything Bettie Apr 17 #54

Can't we simply... ultralite001 Apr 17 #56

Magas might be too far gone. Omnipresent Apr 17 #57

A mass exorcism. maveric Apr 17 #58

Trump and others are is commiting crimes against humanity. He should face a Nuremberg Demsrule86 Apr 17 #59

That is a disturbing amount of support for "re-education" Sympthsical Apr 17 #61

Several hundred thousand Germans were detained in camps after the war Kaleva Apr 17 #63

No, I know Sympthsical Apr 17 #64

But we can't just say "oh well, it's done now"... Bettie Apr 17 #108

Who recommended any such thing? Sympthsical Apr 18 #122

Last time it happened (not to the degree it is now) we Bettie Apr 18 #137

We need a rewriting of american govt and both world and us history Karadeniz Apr 17 #62

I don't think the erosion of our federal government stillcool Apr 17 #65

One of the most fascinating interviews I've ever read Torchlight Apr 17 #70

Yes Kaleva Apr 17 #99

What would be the mechanism for implementing any of those things? Patton French Apr 17 #72

Extreme violence is what I would assume. Llewlladdwr Apr 17 #76

It'd be far less then half the country. Kaleva Apr 17 #81

It would be more than half the country Polybius Apr 17 #103

This.....plus they would take up arms....the same as I if I thought this was the plan for me. Melon Apr 18 #132

With no doubt Lurker Deluxe Apr 18 #170

I've been calling it de-Trumpification... jmowreader Apr 17 #74

I support the prosecution of people who have broken the law. BannonsLiver Apr 17 #75

I can agree with that Polybius Apr 17 #104

Would it be possible to get rid of the radio stations and programs. Mystery sage Apr 17 #77

Know who else refers to his military action as "denazification?" Dreamer Tatum Apr 17 #78

Trump's new buddy? Kaleva Apr 17 #80

You're the one throwing Putin's term around. nt Dreamer Tatum Apr 17 #82

The term is far older then Putin Kaleva Apr 17 #84

Yet you'd do what he says he's doing. How very interesting. nt Dreamer Tatum Apr 17 #85

Can you quote where I said I'm in favor of doing such a thing? Kaleva Apr 17 #86

Nice deflection. Very Soviet. nt Dreamer Tatum Apr 17 #87

Can you at least provide la link to comments you made to those who said they are in favor? Kaleva Apr 17 #88

Yes, yes you're swimming in plausible deniability.... TheProle Apr 17 #94

I took those examples right from history Kaleva Apr 17 #97

I would if it includes Nuremberg-style trials and accountability. Garland types need not apply for the prosecution. Efilroft Sul Apr 17 #79

If handled poorly, something like that would backfire spectacularly. Crunchy Frog Apr 17 #89

We will need a Truth & Reconciliation process once this mess is over. nt Blasphemer Apr 17 #90

MAGAts would then call us the fascists. It's always projection with them... AntiFascist Apr 17 #91

Currently 63%.... Fla_Democrat Apr 17 #93

If laws were broken DetroitLegalBeagle Apr 17 #96

It's an interesting dilemma Kaleva Apr 17 #98

Yes Traildogbob Apr 17 #101

Lock them up and RELOCK them up. ALL of them. NO pardons. Period. ZDU Apr 17 #102

What jail holds nearly 80 million people? Polybius Apr 17 #105

Build arenas, import lions ZDU Apr 17 #107

I would rather focus on fixing the broken election process. Thunderbeast Apr 17 #106

No. H2O Man Apr 17 #109

This message was self-deleted by its author live love laugh Apr 17 #110

Doesn't seem prudent DemocratSinceBirth Apr 17 #111

I don't like your authoritarian state anymore than theirs iemanja Apr 17 #113

Where did I say I want this? Kaleva Apr 18 #120

How could you even dream up such a scenario? iemanja Apr 18 #121

Do you agree that many here believe Trump and his supporters are Nazis? Kaleva Apr 18 #123

No, Trump has not killed 6 million people iemanja Apr 18 #125

How does my response confirm your first post? Kaleva Apr 18 #126

Bye-bye. (nt) Paladin Apr 18 #140

Authoritarians of any political stripe are EllieBC Apr 18 #115

Prosecution of crimes, yes! State-sanctioned deprogramming, no way. Duncan Grant Apr 18 #119

Depends on what the criminal statutes define as being a crime per congress MichMan Apr 18 #131

I would support some of this. and would like to see him and others charged with the covid murders too Meowmee Apr 18 #124

He is not immortal. He will either pass away or his party will implode when he's not on the ballot in 2028. LonePirate Apr 18 #127

A post Trump world will be interesting Kaleva Apr 18 #128

Wow... LPBBEAR Apr 18 #129

I would not support "tribunals", but the normal civil court process, yes--- Jack Valentino Apr 18 #130

Part 1. Eliminating Fox News Dan Apr 18 #133

Yea! Fuck the First Amendment? Right? tritsofme Apr 18 #141

America JustAnotherGen Apr 18 #135

Exactly LPBBEAR Apr 18 #136

What you ate advocating Mz Pip Apr 18 #142

What am I advocating? Kaleva Apr 18 #148

This is actually "Nazification" of course gulliver Apr 18 #146

Considering the number of members who believe Trump is like Hitler Kaleva Apr 18 #154

It's a lazy level of analogy. gulliver Apr 18 #156

So that's what you think of the people who voted "Yes"? Kaleva Apr 18 #158

Venting - I Agree Lokee11 Apr 18 #163

You forgot the suspension of the prohibition against ex post facto laws Seeking Serenity Apr 18 #150

Is that what you are saying to the DUers who voted in favor? Kaleva Apr 18 #153

What a strange question? tritsofme Apr 18 #166

I guess so. Based on your fantasy-world OP scenario, Seeking Serenity Apr 18 #174

Pretty sure this plan isn't consistent with the Constitution Raven123 Apr 18 #152

The worst offenders or those that refuse reeducation can be sent to El Salvador. louis-t Apr 18 #159

We need to deFoxify the United States. Initech Apr 18 #160

Denazification In Germany after WWII UpInArms Apr 18 #162

Yes, if it's determined any broke laws. Oneironaut Apr 18 #164

No. No way. OnionPatch Apr 18 #172

This thread is incredibly informative. WarGamer Apr 18 #175

I'm not surprised in one way but am surprised in another Kaleva Apr 19 #180

it's a revenge sentiment Skittles Apr 20 #182

I voted no Skittles Apr 20 #181

As long as we're not trading MurrayDelph Apr 19 #179

What?? B.See Apr 20 #183

They enacted a number of laws after the war in an effort to subdue nazism Kaleva Apr 20 #185

exactly. B.See Apr 20 #187

Well, one surefire way to ensure we keep losing elections and maintain embarrassing poll numbers is... jcmaine72 Apr 20 #184

No Cirsium Apr 20 #188

"Why would anyone mock those who are seeing parallels between this regime and murderous regimes from the past?" jcmaine72 Apr 20 #189

Nice try Cirsium Apr 20 #191

Well, this poll and ensuing thread/responses went about as expected. n/t flvegan Apr 20 #190

Absolutely. Horse with no Name Apr 27 #192